Rent Control Backfiring? (renter, house, neighborhood)

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by Woody01

They should make it a crime. Most of these people don't want housing.

Homelessness will never be a crime in a free society. But if you are willing to trash the Constitution, you are free to try overturning that principle on which our nation is founded.

Virtually every one of the homeless would love to have even a bare 8x10 room with a lock on the door and a shared toilet ... let alone an actual little apartment. Every research, study, and interview conducted by professionals in academia, government, media, think-tanks, foundations confirms this. You are buying a mythological stereotyping based on various stories of homeless refusing shelters that are worse than remaining on the streets in certain critical aspects: robbery, violence, bedbugs, sexual assaults, refusal to allow companion pets, disallowance / lack of accommodation for stowing personal belongings, requirements for conformance to sobriety programs, religious services participation ...

If you are interested to understand the reality of homeless desire and potential for successful housing, look up “Housing First” and read about these programs and their success rates. Housing First aims to identify those homeless at greatest need and risk, offer them a room without conditions of sobriety or program participation, and then make counseling and medical and other subsistence needs available on a voluntary basis. The programs exist in cities all across the nation. The rate of long-term housing retention runs in the 85%-90+% range. Many of the residents take advantage of the counseling and other services as well once they are freed from the survival pressures of street life and can catch their breath.

[oceangaia]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Forget about morality and ethics. This is strictly a practical question I pose. What legal, affordable, effective plan do you have for dealing with the factual reality that humanity has always had a segment that is not some combination of luckier than, as smart as, as disciplined as, as intellectually capable as people like you and I?

I doubt we can pull it off but the Third World Latin American countries decided the plan was to encourage emigration by any means. You not only get rid of your undesirables but get remittances in return.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by oceangaia

I doubt we can pull it off but the Third World Latin American countries decided the plan was to encourage emigration by any means. You not only get rid of your undesirables but get remittances in return.

Lmfao. As if it is policy. What a gag. You should consider a standup gig ...

[oceangaia]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Lmfao. As if it is policy. What a gag. You should consider a standup gig ...

It IS a policy. Why else would Mexico be opposed to a wall? Name one logical reason why Mexico would actively oppose every measure to fight illegal immigration within the boundaries of the USA?

[Teacher Terry]

Reno has escalating rent and house prices and it’s making people homeless. Landlords are demanding huge increases which the wages don’t support. Locals are being driven out while Californians are moving in. We also have attracted tech companies with higher wages. It’s a dilemma and I don’t know enough about rent control to have a educated opinion although that has been suggested by our mayor.

[Woody01]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Homelessness will never be a crime in a free society. But if you are willing to trash the Constitution, you are free to try overturning that principle on which our nation is founded.

Virtually every one of the homeless would love to have even a bare 8x10 room with a lock on the door and a shared toilet ... let alone an actual little apartment.

Yeah, I know ya can't lock 'em up exactly, I was just trying to get yer goat.....sorry. What they used to do was just move 'em along constantly, and it worked to some degree. It's a tough one, ain't it? What do you do with 'em?

Regarding "Virtually every one of the homeless would love to have even a bare 8x10 room".....I don't believe this for a second.

a) One of our friends worked for the Govt with the homeless in SD. Spent countless hours walking the streets and interviewing these people. Their stats were over 90% preferred street life, Govt stats.

b) A recent (2017 I think) attempt that I followed in OC to clean up one of the river channels resulted in slightly over 400 persons being given everything by the Govt. Free room and meals, free medical/dental care, job offers, everything....All they had to do was stay in the provided housing for 30 days and give up drugs, booze and their other illicit habits. Guess how many chose to take advantage of the program...? 7.

I hear/read about too many of the same type of studies to buy into your way of thinking at all. If it makes you happy and works for you, fine, stick with it. I'm sure you have your books and studies that support your way of thinking.....I just ain't buying it.

[Woody01]

Originally Posted by Teacher Terry

Reno has escalating rent and house prices and it’s making people homeless. Landlords are demanding huge increases which the wages don’t support. Locals are being driven out while Californians are moving in. We also have attracted tech companies with higher wages. It’s a dilemma and I don’t know enough about rent control to have a educated opinion although that has been suggested by our mayor.

If people can't afford to live in an area as it changes and prices increase, then they need to move elsewhere. That's not an pretty or easy solution, but it is a realistic one....

[Teacher Terry]

Woody, I partially agree but some are seniors that their support system is here. What about a single mom that depends on free daycare from her mom, etc. If you are barely getting by you don’t have money to move. It’s complicated.

[Woody01]

Originally Posted by Teacher Terry

Woody, I partially agree but some are seniors that their support system is here. What about a single mom that depends on free daycare from her mom, etc. If you are barely getting by you don’t have money to move. It’s complicated.

I know, I didn't mean to sound so harsh.....but I think a lot of the people who end up homeless could have made better choices......

I know, it is complicated, but throwing Govt (our) money at it will not help....much.....

[Des-Lab]

Originally Posted by Teacher Terry

Woody, I partially agree but some are seniors that their support system is here. What about a single mom that depends on free daycare from her mom, etc. If you are barely getting by you don’t have money to move. It’s complicated.

Nothing at all complicated about that. Move. Get another job. Move back in with mom. Go after the father for child support.

The REAL problem here is taking one persons problems and making them everyone elses problem.

To wit...what's fair or even right about forcing everyone else to pay for the aforementioned womans hot, most likely, self inflicted mess?

Why should a landlord be forced to accept less than what property is (or should be) worth? Who gets to dictate those arbitrary values and equally important, WHY? How is demanding a free or substantially discounted rent being any less greedy than those same landlords you are lamenting? Why is this greed acceptable on one side of the transaction but not the other?

I mean think about it., Taking this preposterous logic one step further, If you are a seller on Ebay, should we require that we sell the item to the 5th highest bidder "because he really really wanted it the most (even though his bid amount says otherwise)?

Where does this insanity end?