What Presidential Candidate Are You Supporting at the Polls in November? (Pittsburgh: real estate, health insurance)
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Last I checked abortion is not simply a religious issue. There is no scientific or secular philosophical authority determining when life begins or when it is allowable to be terminated (I should know considering I majored in Molecular Biology/Biochemistry and Philosophy). Even if abortion was simply such a religious issue, then why is that your beliefs should be instrumental in influencing public policy, but mine are not allowable...it's called hypocrisy.
More important things than abortion? You've just discredited my beliefs on the basis of your own beliefs. Are you a god, that I should obey you? or just a superior human being?
Your OPINION is yours...if thats how you feel good for you, dont get one...but dont tell every other woman in the world what to do. My beliefs are its a CHOICE something you can choose to do in a FREE country. Its a womans choice plain and simple. Its a choice that a woman can make on her own. I am a guy,and if i got someone pregnent i wouldnt want to see them do that, but if someone does that is there choice. The difference between your views and mine is you want to tell this country what they cant do, and what they can...i think people should have a choice. Want to talk about hyopcrisy...Look at all the abortion nuts who go around blowing up clinics...what makes them any better? Are they not killers?
Do you think that you are a god because you want to tell every woman in America what they can do? Thats what it sounds like to me...
It is mostly a religious view as far as the election goes... all the "good christian" voters. This countrys goverment was not founded on mixing religion into politics, it was founded on freedom of religion. That is why my views are right, and yours are agenst everything this country was founded on.
Also if abortion was not legal, it would still happen...just in unsafe ways. Coat hangers in back alleys. Many more people would die like that (since you are so pro life). Bottom line is this is America, and its a free country...you are entitled to your views, but you are not one to tell the rest of the country what they can and cant do.
Funny how all i did was make a statement...and look how defensive you got. Calling names, and acting like an idiot. Sorry but you are not god, and have no right to tell people what they can and cannot do. Its there choice.
And yes there are so many more important issues to vote on than something this stupid....If you think abortion is more important than this country headed to a depression, the fact that everyone in the world hates us, the fact that we are trying to start a world war, the fact that are economy is in the gutter, the fact that 40 million americans dont have healthcare, the fact that we are a laughing stock to the rest of the world right now...if thats not more important to you than abortion then you need to really rethink about this election.
Last I checked abortion is not simply a religious issue. There is no scientific or secular philosophical authority determining when life begins or when it is allowable to be terminated (I should know considering I majored in Molecular Biology/Biochemistry and Philosophy). Even if abortion was simply such a religious issue, then why is that your beliefs should be instrumental in influencing public policy, but mine are not allowable...it's called hypocrisy.
More important things than abortion? You've just discredited my beliefs on the basis of your own beliefs. Are you a god, that I should obey you? or just a superior human being?
You should direct your anger at the Repulican party that has ruled the roost for the last 8 yrs., and did absolutely nothing about the abortion issue. They promised only lies! But I bet you will vote for McCain like the good little brain washed sheep that you are. Am I right?
You should direct your anger at the Repulican party that has ruled the roost for the last 8 yrs., and did absolutely nothing about the abortion issue. They promised only lies! But I bet you will vote for McCain like the good little brain washed sheep that you are. Am I right?
let's see here...Obama voted down a bill that was overwhelmingly supported by both democrats and republicans; this bill concerned babies who were born alive during the process of a failed abortion...Obama voted to not protect the lives of such babies born after botched abortions, leaving them susceptible to being euthanized after birth. McCain's voting record shows he is against abortion.
"But I'm for change and unity!" Now who is brainwashed?
let's see here...Obama voted down a bill that was overwhelmingly supported by both democrats and republicans; this bill concerned babies who were born alive during the process of a failed abortion...Obama voted to not protect the lives of such babies born after botched abortions, leaving them susceptible to being euthanized after birth. McCain's voting record shows he is against abortion.
"But I'm for change and unity!" Now who is brainwashed?
Republican's controlled Congress for six years! And George Bush was presidente for eight! Aren't you a little upset that your righteous hero's did nothing about abortion? They had all the power in the world! Literally! I'm not even pro choice. I had to confront an unplanned pregnancy head on, and at a bad time in my life, and me and my wife chose life, and have a beautiful two year old daughter to prove it. The anti abortion stance by republican's is just another trick they use to get you to vote for them. Don't you see that? They controlled the world for eight years!!! And did nothing to outlaw abortion. Doesn't that tell you something?
Your OPINION is yours...if thats how you feel good for you, dont get one...but dont tell every other woman in the world what to do. My beliefs are its a CHOICE something you can choose to do in a FREE country. Its a womans choice plain and simple. Its a choice that a woman can make on her own. I am a guy,and if i got someone pregnent i wouldnt want to see them do that, but if someone does that is there choice. The difference between your views and mine is you want to tell this country what they cant do, and what they can...i think people should have a choice. Want to talk about hyopcrisy...Look at all the abortion nuts who go around blowing up clinics...what makes them any better? Are they not killers?
Do you think that you are a god because you want to tell every woman in America what they can do? Thats what it sounds like to me...
No I don't want to tell every woman in America what they can do; I want prevent women in America from aborting their children. In the 1800s the Supreme Court said that slavery was constitutional...it was a major issue back then, one that found moral resolution during the Civil War. People didn't say: "hey if you want to have slaves that's fine by me, I choose to not have them." No, they said that slavery is wrong and should be abolished--then they fought for that belief and today, we don't even consider whether slavery is ethically wrong or not...it's obvious.
If your mother aborted you, you would not live...thus, preventing your life. There is no choice given to the child in this situation.
I consider a fetus life on the basis that: (1) all the genetic information is present at conception to fully develop into an indisputable human child, and separation at any point in that process to declare it ethical to destroy, is an arbitrary distinction; (2) the child therefore develops naturally just like an infant, a toddler or middle-aged man; (3) dependency cannot logically act as the definition of an essential property of human beings considering the fact that (a) children are dependent, (b) certain siamese twins have dependent siblings.
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It is mostly a religious view as far as the election goes... all the "good christian" voters. This countrys goverment was not founded on mixing religion into politics, it was founded on freedom of religion. That is why my views are right, and yours are agenst everything this country was founded on.
You don't even know what freedom of religion means. Where did the founding fathers say you can't bring your perspective or worldview into the political arena? The idea that all humans are endowed with inalienable rights is personal opinion. I have my opinion you have yours, we are both free to alter the government accordingly. Separation of church and state means there will be no official church, no official religion, that you do not have to hold to any particular belief in order to run for office (you seemed to have missed the last part).
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Originally Posted by Steelers115
Also if abortion was not legal, it would still happen...just in unsafe ways. Coat hangers in back alleys. Many more people would die like that (since you are so pro life). Bottom line is this is America, and its a free country...you are entitled to your views, but you are not one to tell the rest of the country what they can and cant do.
This is called agent-centered restrictions. I'll give you an analogy: you walk into a bank and a man is holding a gun to a woman's face. He hands you a gun and tells you to kill the man next to you or he'll kill this woman and the three other people behind him. Question: is it moral to then kill the man? I say no, on the basis that you don't know that the man is telling the truth; he could kill everyone anyway, or he might never kill anyone no matter what; you take the power that is in your hands to do the right thing...you can do no more.
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Originally Posted by Steelers115
Funny how all i did was make a statement...and look how defensive you got. Calling names, and acting like an idiot. Sorry but you are not god, and have no right to tell people what they can and cannot do. Its there choice.
Here is my statement: "Socialism and live-birth abortion is not the kind of change I'm hoping for...sorry Barack, got to go with the lesser of the evils."
Here was your retort: "Religon and politics do not mix. If someone votes based on religon they should just not vote....this country has more important things to worry about than abortion."
I believe I was the one who simply made a statement while you said I should not vote because of my views.
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Originally Posted by Steelers115
the fact that everyone in the world hates us, the fact that we are trying to start a world war, the fact that are economy is in the gutter, the fact that 40 million americans dont have healthcare, the fact that we are a laughing stock to the rest of the world right now...if thats not more important to you than abortion then you need to really rethink about this election.
These are all facts? Then show me some citations for these facts. LOL!
Hey man Steelers all the way!
Republican's controlled Congress for six years! And George Bush was presidente for eight! Aren't you a little upset that your righteous hero's did nothing about abortion? They had all the power in the world! Literally! I'm not even pro choice. I had to confront an unplanned pregnancy head on, and at a bad time in my life, and me and my wife chose life, and have a beautiful two year old daughter to prove it. The anti abortion stance by republican's is just another trick they use to get you to vote for them. Don't you see that? They controlled the world for eight years!!! And did nothing to outlaw abortion. Doesn't that tell you something?
You start to make a good point...but here is mine:
Obama = "Pro-choice"
McCain = "Pro-Life"
To say that McCain won't do anything to stop abortion because the Bush administration didn't do anything (with the knowledge that both are Republicans), would be a fallacy of stereotyping. Now, is there a reasonable chance that McCain won't do anything? Sure. But, at least with McCain, there is a chance that abortion will be stopped. With Obama, we are guaranteed that abortion won't stop.
Now that brings us to the economic question. Obama's voting record shows him to be more liberal than a self-proclaimed socialist. Now, I'm not an economist, but I do know that socialism is not the way to boost your economy in the long term.
I don't want to hear "oh,no! they couldn,t do anything! That's the supreme court!" George Bush has been wiping his a$$ with the Constitution for eight years! And our government is a the verge of signing a trillion dollars over to Wall St.!!! The biggest rip off of The American people this country has ever seen!!! We are literally being plundered and pilaged by our own government, so don't give me that song and dance about "they couldn't do anything about abortion" they had the power to do exactly whatever they wanted, just like they are going to do for Wall St. Bend over America, this one is gonna hurt!!!
No I don't want to tell every woman in America what they can do; I want prevent women in America from aborting their children. In the 1800s the Supreme Court said that slavery was constitutional...it was a major issue back then, one that found moral resolution during the Civil War. People didn't say: "hey if you want to have slaves that's fine by me, I choose to not have them." No, they said that slavery is wrong and should be abolished--then they fought for that belief and today, we don't even consider whether slavery is ethically wrong or not...it's obvious.
If your mother aborted you, you would not live...thus, preventing your life. There is no choice given to the child in this situation.
I consider a fetus life on the basis that: (1) all the genetic information is present at conception to fully develop into an indisputable human child, and separation at any point in that process to declare it ethical to destroy, is an arbitrary distinction; (2) the child therefore develops naturally just like an infant, a toddler or middle-aged man; (3) dependency cannot logically act as the definition of an essential property of human beings considering the fact that (a) children are dependent, (b) certain siamese twins have dependent siblings.
You don't even know what freedom of religion means. Where did the founding fathers say you can't bring your perspective or worldview into the political arena? The idea that all humans are endowed with inalienable rights is personal opinion. I have my opinion you have yours, we are both free to alter the government accordingly. Separation of church and state means there will be no official church, no official religion, that you do not have to hold to any particular belief in order to run for office (you seemed to have missed the last part).
This is called agent-centered restrictions. I'll give you an analogy: you walk into a bank and a man is holding a gun to a woman's face. He hands you a gun and tells you to kill the man next to you or he'll kill this woman and the three other people behind him. Question: is it moral to then kill the man? I say no, on the basis that you don't know that the man is telling the truth; he could kill everyone anyway, or he might never kill anyone no matter what; you take the power that is in your hands to do the right thing...you can do no more.
Here is my statement: "Socialism and live-birth abortion is not the kind of change I'm hoping for...sorry Barack, got to go with the lesser of the evils."
Here was your retort: "Religon and politics do not mix. If someone votes based on religon they should just not vote....this country has more important things to worry about than abortion."
I believe I was the one who simply made a statement while you said I should not vote because of my views.
These are all facts? Then show me some citations for these facts. LOL!
Hey man Steelers all the way!
Ok you are telling every woman in america what to do if you make abortion illegal, you are not giving them an option to do what THEY want to do. Like i said, i would not want someone i got pregnant to do that, but if someone else does then thats there descision. How are you not telling every woman in america what to do??? You want to make it a law saying they cant do something. If you dont like abortions DONT GET ONE, but DO NOT TRY TO TELL THE REST OF THE COUNTRY THEY HAVE TO DO AS YOU DO.
As for your slavery quote, John Mccain is for slavery...not based on a color but slavery for everyone. He wants to make a Federal Right to work law...which means employees have NO rights, cant form unions, get lower pay, no healthcare unless you pay out the a** for it, you can be fired at anytime without reason, you can be forced to work 12 hours a day without a break, your company pretty much owns you....i seen how that works because i was in a right to work state for a year, and all i can say is thank god for PA. So voting for Mccain you must not think slavery is a bad thing.
Abortion should be legal up to so many weeks, yes there should be restrictions on it...but it should be legal up to 3 months. A baby is not formed yet, yes it has the chance of life...but many of the mothers who are getting abortions are not ready to have a child, and not able to take care of the child. Look at all the kids born into horid situations in this country and end up criminals...
Freedom of religion means that a certain religion does not control america, everyones free to practice whatever they want. I am cathlic, but i disagree with many ways of the cathlic church.
The bank analogy didnt do it for me, are you standing up for killers who blow up clinics? Thats what it sounds like to me.... They are killers, who are taking innocent lifes away from people. They are no different than terrorist, sick sick people who will kill for there religious beleifs.
You shouldnt vote based on your views. You are voting based on the least important thing in America right now... You are more worried about something that little and insignificant than the state of this country..
You want proof? LOOK AT THE PAST 8 YEARS, IS THAT NOT ENOUGH PROOF FOR YOU? IT HAS BEEN PROVEN IRAQ HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH 911, IT HAS BEEN PROVEN THEY HAVE NO WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION, IT HAS BEEN PROVEN WE WENT TO A WAR, AND GOT THOUSANDS OF AMERICANS KILLED FOR NO REASON OTHER THAN GREED, MONEY, AND OIL. THOSE ARE FACTS. LOOK AT WHAT YOU PAY FOR GAS...DO YOU LIKE THAT? ITS BECAUSE THE REPUBLICANS ARE IN BED WITH THE BIG OIL COMPANYS, AND DONT CARE ABOUT YOU. LOOK AT ARE ECONOMY AFTER SOME DUMB REDNECK HAS RAN THIS COUNTRY FOR 8 YEARS, 6 OF WHICH WERE COMPLETLEY CONTROLLED BY REPUBLICANS. WE ARE IN A RESSESION, THATS A FACT, WALSTREET HAS COLAPSED, WE HAVE A 170 BILLION DOLLAR DEBT, ARE THESE NOT ENOUGH FACTS FOR YOU??? ARE YOU THAT BRAINWASHED BY YOUR GOD LOVING REPUBLICANS WHO PREACH THERE VALUES, THEN TURN AROUND AND *********? AND ALSO LIKE SOMEONE ELSE SAID THEY HAVE DONE NOTHING ABOUT ABORTION FOR THE PAST 8 YEARS, THE ONLY TIME THEY TALK ABOUT IT IS DURING ELECTIONS TO GET THESE BRAINWASHED AMERICAN GOOD CHRISTIANS VOTES. There is your facts!
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