Jefferson Ave, (Detroit, Wayne, Coleman: apartments, mover, condos)
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Wow! I drove to southwest Detroit today to see the progress on the Gordie Howe Bridge. They are off to a very impressive job I must say. The bridge deck is well underway from the American side with construction traffic already parking up there. The scale of the bridge itself is immense as far as the entire project is concerned. It will be a very beautiful structure, hell it already is. All the freeway and ramps on I-75 are brand new now and there is the vast area that will house the customs buildings etc. Hundreds of acres I Imagine when the ramps off the new bridge are added.
I was amazed however at how much other development is going on at the same time along Jefferson Ave. Demolition of old buildings. Building public parks and just the cleaning up of the huge mess that
a couple of hundred years of manufacturing and shipping made. A lot broken concrete from old building foundations is being removed by truck. Miles and miles of this activity. It has already made a huge difference down there as far as appearances is concerned. Hell you can see the River where you couldn't before. It is about time they cleaned out that mess. You can just already see- the difference that is being made, month by month.
Then there's the old vagabond train depot, the eyesore downtown that refused to just go away- now looks brand new again. What with the brand new windows and the sandblasting of the exterior, the concrete is renewed. The ancient building is beautiful again. They just don't build structures that have that much exterior detail, anymore. It is a very good thing that Ford stepped up and saved the thing. This stuff all, will give Detroit the face lift that it sorely needed and these huge changes are very much going to change Detroit for the better. I never thought all of this would happen in my lifetime. It seemed as though hopelessness was preordained for Southwest Detroit. Then came the new Bridge.
A true Renaissance for downtown. There is a ton of money being spent down there. All taken in, there will be beyond a night and day difference, in appearances downtown.
Now if they would just restore the fort. It could be a key destination point if they wold just get past the politics and restore it before it collapses. Some buildings are beyond saving but there are many that are in decent shape and it is an amazing place filled with great history. When the bridge opens it will be the primary visible feature. Will people see a run down decaying ruin or will they be amazined, and say I never knew we had anythign so coool
I cannot imagine the cost of rebuilding Fort Wayne. I know what you meant though, Jensens. Where I am from- San Antonio ,tx - the historical society was doing nothing to preserve four other ancient limestone Spanish Catholic Missions in the nineteen twenties. All built by Catholic Missionaries and local Indians in the 1700's. By others I meant other, other than the the most famous of the Missions , The Alamo.
It took a woman by the name of DeZavala way back in the nineteen twenties to save the other missions of the Mission system from destruction. All built during the Spanish Colonial time period during the 1700's. Now this...travel forth in time to 100 years later.
San Antonio has been awarded a- World Heritage Designation Site by Unesco.(United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Designation). Rare. The Alamo is a world famous landmark due of course to the sacrifice of the volunteers whom died there during the Texas Revolution. People come from all over the world to visit. Now, even more will come. 27 million come annually now.
It has been discovered by archeologists from the University of Texas @San Antonio from human remains and of course burnt pottery shards, that Indians have been living at the site of downtown San Antonio for 14,000 years. Why wouldn't they? A spot in the southwest where in a very arid environment , there were a set of springs that bubbled forth pure artesian water. For even the Spanish explorers knew the value of a site where 2.7 million now live.
Ft. Wayne should be saved . By whom , though? I know there is already a movement underway to save the Fort but myself, personally, I don't know if it would be worth the cost, and by whom? I mean the history is unremarkable, really. I believe that finished, the Fort surely would make a gorgeous addition to Downtown Detroit though. We need something like this! I agree with you on that; because beside churches what other historical buildings were saved from the wrecking ball? I guess people do not realize what this might do for downtown Detroit. I do.
To top all of the above off concerning those Missions, Famous Rock and Roller Phil Collins has donated
his extensive Battle of the Alamo artifact collection to the City of San Antonio ; collected by him over many years. The rich rock and roller (worth 350 million) has been a fan of the Battle since he used to watch all of the Disney Films on Davy Crockett with his coonskin cap and the Battle itself when he was a little kid. There is a youtube video of the donation ceremony.
Now the city has built a museum to house these (new) artifacts. Even the original walls of the fortification which were already crumbling during the Battle are being rebuilt. So right downtown San Antonio unbelievably, sit the original fortifications along with the Chapel itself. Paved streets were ripped up I am sure for this.
The completion date is 2024. Also the original River Walk is there. Nothing so grand as the Detroit Riverwalk, but also gorgeous but in a subtropical way. Small and full of shops, galleries, bars, fancy hotels
and live entertainment. All down 25 feet below street level is the San Antonio Riverwalk.
I cannot imagine the cost of rebuilding Fort Wayne. I know what you meant though, Jensens. Where I am from- San Antonio ,tx - the historical society was doing nothing to preserve four other ancient limestone Spanish Catholic Missions in the nineteen twenties. All built by Catholic Missionaries and local Indians in the 1700's. By others I meant other, other than the the most famous of the Missions , The Alamo.
It took a woman by the name of DeZavala way back in the nineteen twenties to save the other missions of the Mission system from destruction. All built during the Spanish Colonial time period during the 1700's. Now this...travel forth in time to 100 years later.
San Antonio has been awarded a- World Heritage Designation Site by Unesco.(United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Designation). Rare. The Alamo is a world famous landmark due of course to the sacrifice of the volunteers whom died there during the Texas Revolution. People come from all over the world to visit. Now, even more will come. 27 million come annually now.
It has been discovered by archeologists from the University of Texas @San Antonio from human remains and of course burnt pottery shards, that Indians have been living at the site of downtown San Antonio for 14,000 years. Why wouldn't they? A spot in the southwest where in a very arid environment , there were a set of springs that bubbled forth pure artesian water. For even the Spanish explorers knew the value of a site where 2.7 million now live.
Ft. Wayne should be saved . By whom , though? I know there is already a movement underway to save the Fort but myself, personally, I don't know if it would be worth the cost, and by whom? I mean the history is unremarkable, really. I believe that finished, the Fort surely would make a gorgeous addition to Downtown Detroit though. We need something like this! I agree with you on that; because beside churches what other historical buildings were saved from the wrecking ball? I guess people do not realize what this might do for downtown Detroit. I do.
To top all of the above off concerning those Missions, Famous Rock and Roller Phil Collins has donated
his extensive Battle of the Alamo artifact collection to the City of San Antonio ; collected by him over many years. The rich rock and roller (worth 350 million) has been a fan of the Battle since he used to watch all of the Disney Films on Davy Crockett with his coonskin cap and the Battle itself when he was a little kid. There is a youtube video of the donation ceremony.
Now the city has built a museum to house these (new) artifacts. Even the original walls of the fortification which were already crumbling during the Battle are being rebuilt. So right downtown San Antonio unbelievably, sit the original fortifications along with the Chapel itself. Paved streets were ripped up I am sure for this.
The completion date is 2024. Also the original River Walk is there. Nothing so grand as the Detroit Riverwalk, but also gorgeous but in a subtropical way. Small and full of shops, galleries, bars, fancy hotels
and live entertainment. All down 25 feet below street level is the San Antonio Riverwalk.
You answered your own question. If the National Park Service took over Ft. Wayne, it would be preserved, just like the Spanish Missions were preserved. As we know, the federal government can print money, the City of Detroit can not.
And yes, it is great that Detroit has improved drastically under Mayor Duggan, after decades of poor leadership. Young, Archer, Kilpatrick, Bing. Amazing what you can do when you stop playing the race card and actually encourage people to invest in the city.
First it must be designated a "World Heritage Designation Site" by UNESCO. To do this Ft.Wayne must first have some remarkable historical significance, which it does not. Not a lot of places get this designation, it
is a very prestigious award not awarded lightly. Ft. Wayne, as I wrote to member Coldjensen the other day,"The Fort does not have a very remarkable history. The missions of San Antonio were already world famous. We both agreed that to rebuild Ft.Wayne would give Detroit a huge advantage in the marketing of Detroit to the general public. That would indeed be grand.
Unesco instead gave the City the dubious designation where "Detroit is doing well in rebuilding with what it has to work with".
Personally I think Detroit has a lot of remarkable occurences in the history of the NortheastUnited States.
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You answered your own question. If the National Park Service took over Ft. Wayne, it would be preserved, just like the Spanish Missions were preserved. As we know, the federal government can print money, the City of Detroit can not.
And yes, it is great that Detroit has improved drastically under Mayor Duggan, after decades of poor leadership. Young, Archer, Kilpatrick, Bing. Amazing what you can do when you stop playing the race card and actually encourage people to invest in the city.
I think the Fort would fare well if the State took it over, like Belle Isle.
The city will not spend a dime on it. I have heard some within the city want to tear it down to build condos.
Not going to happen as there are native American burial sites there.
The fort has some interesting history even though nothing historically significant ever happened there. THe foirt was mostly used to store things. It might have been a sop onthe underground railroad, but this is unknown. I think they processed draftees there during WWII.
In 2021 the city re-zoned it as a regional park. Supposedly to get it some funding. Nothing has happened since then.
You answered your own question. If the National Park Service took over Ft. Wayne, it would be preserved, just like the Spanish Missions were preserved. As we know, the federal government can print money, the City of Detroit can not.
And yes, it is great that Detroit has improved drastically under Mayor Duggan, after decades of poor leadership. Young, Archer, Kilpatrick, Bing. Amazing what you can do when you stop playing the race card and actually encourage people to invest in the city.
You are the one playing the race card. You reeled off only the 4 black mayors as if they were only elected because they were black. There were poor white mayors before them. Jerome Cavanagh instituted a city income tax (Mayor from 1962-70), which proved to be detrimental. Louis Miriani (Mayor from 1957-1962) was convicted of federal tax evasion.
The city has not drastically improved under Mayor Duggan.
Detroit lost the same amount of residents in the 1990s (~75,000) during the tenure of Archer, than it did during 2010s, the tenure of Mike Duggan
There was always downtown investment during the tenure of those 4 mayors. Archer got the casinos built; Under Coleman Young, Joe Louis Arena, the Millender Center, Riverfront Apartments, Trolley Plaza, the People Mover, Trapper's Alley, etc were all built.
The only thing better about Detroit now than 30 years ago is downtown and the east riverfront. The public school system hasn't improved and the violent crime has not declined. Neighborhoods have never been emptier.
You are the one playing the race card. You reeled off only the 4 black mayors as if they were only elected because they were black. There were poor white mayors before them. Jerome Cavanagh instituted a city income tax (Mayor from 1962-70), which proved to be detrimental. Louis Miriani (Mayor from 1957-1962) was convicted of federal tax evasion.
The city has not drastically improved under Mayor Duggan.
Detroit lost the same amount of residents in the 1990s (~75,000) during the tenure of Archer, than it did during 2010s, the tenure of Mike Duggan
There was always downtown investment during the tenure of those 4 mayors. Archer got the casinos built; Under Coleman Young, Joe Louis Arena, the Millender Center, Riverfront Apartments, Trolley Plaza, the People Mover, Trapper's Alley, etc were all built.
The only thing better about Detroit now than 30 years ago is downtown and the east riverfront. The public school system hasn't improved and the violent crime has not declined. Neighborhoods have never been emptier.
Downtown, mid-town eastern market, Brush Park, SW Detroit, several of the residential neighborhoods, are all massively improved. The new bridge is completely changing Del Rey (FKA the place where they dump the bodies). The riverfront is massively improved and still going. Belle Isle is massively improved. Rather than focusing primarily on demolition, they are focusing on building and restoring. PArks are being restored. The street lights all work. Police response time is down from around four hours to a few minutes. Violent crime is way down, but that is partially a national trend. Rioting is basically gone No more devils night terror. When many of the other run down cities in the country were rioting in the last few eyars, Detroit protests and marches remained relatively calm. Trash pickup is occurring in neighborhoods that never saw a truck in the recent past. Dump site lots are getting cleaned up. Yes people are still leaving many of the outlying decimated neighborhoods, but many of the others are on the upswing. The only way someone can fail to see the astounding improvement is if they are wearing blinders.
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I drove to southwest Detroit today to see the progress on the Gordie Howe Bridge. They are off to a very impressive job I must say. The bridge deck is well underway from the American side with construction traffic already parking up there. The scale of the bridge itself is immense as far as the entire project is concerned. It will be a very beautiful structure, hell it already is. All the freeway and ramps on I-75 are brand new now and there is the vast area that will house the customs buildings etc. Hundreds of acres I Imagine when the ramps off the new bridge are added.
The ancient building is beautiful again. They just don't build structures that have that much exterior detail, anymore. It is a very good thing that Ford stepped up and saved the thing. This stuff all, will give Detroit the face lift that it sorely needed and these huge changes are very much going to change Detroit for the better. I never thought all of this would happen in my lifetime. It seemed as though hopelessness was preordained for Southwest Detroit. Then came the new Bridge.
Ft.Wayne?
