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Originally Posted by Lowlander67
I am not saying China and India will become best buddies, but both will be the biggest superpowers of the future. There might be economic and even military conflicts between the two, with both fighting for first place. But I think the hegemony of the US and the West in general will be broken one day.
I don't believe the population of China will be in continuous decline. Their government will take measures when that happens.
China's influence is growing worldwide and their growing number of allies will provide them with everything they need. An organization like BRICS will blow the West away in the future I think. But time will tell.
Whilst BRICS will have some influence it won't blow away the West, and it won't match the main western economic organisations in relation to the USMCA, EU and CPTPP agreements, and the US led West will still maintain it's economic and military hegemony and status quo, and it should be noted that China would very much like to join the CPTPP, however this is unlikely.
The USMCA alone accounts for a third of the world's economy, and is you include the EU and CPTPP this accounts for nearly two thirds of the entire global economy.
China's population is declining, and in terms of China's economic power, it already relies on the West, which in reality far more important to China than the BRICS will ever be.
In terms of India it has a lot of poverty and social problems, and although vast in terms of size and population, is a long way from becoming a US type economic GDP per capita US type superpower. I also predict that India will end up forging ever closer links to the West and is a more likely candidate in terms of CPTPP membership than China will ever be.
As for Russia, the economy is not really going to go anywhere under Putin, and it's only after Putin is gone that Russia can hopefully forge better links with the rest of Europe and the Western World.
Last edited by Brave New World; 04-14-2024 at 05:05 PM..
It seems like there’s an irrational obsession with dethroning the United States and its NATO allies as the most powerful superpower in the world. It’s so insane and stupid. It’s 2024, not 1893 so who gives a damn if you’re the world’s bully and oppressor? What exactly are their goals by achieving this?
France and Portugal used to have huge colonial empires around Africa, Asia, the Americas. They gave that up, now they work with their former rivals and have the highest level of prosperity they could possibly want for their people, peace and good relations with the rest of the world. I get that China and Russia are authoritarian dictatorships, but it seems like even if they democratized, their people would still support working towards this goal of taking over as the worlds great power instead of the US.
What makes their politics so fixated on this? Is it Confucianism? Slavic mythology? It makes zero sense. Japan used to be America’s biggest enemy, now they’re allies and they’ve spread their culture around the world with the arts and technological advancements. Why don’t China or Russia want the same thing for their country?
It honestly seems like a death cult/suicide pact where someone would try and make the whole world your enemy by framing them all as “Western oppressors”. What makes a country “western” or “imperialist”? For wanting things like free and fair elections, freedom of the press and separation of powers in their governments.?
I really hope with the internet and freedom of information through VPNs and whatnot Russia and China stop with this nonsense
The US is the only Western Superpower. Not it's Nato allies. As for Why China and Russia have created a Multi polar world. Tell me why should the US dictate the political, economical and social makeup of nations around the world? These nations clearly want to be free of US coercion. I live in a nation that is one of America's lapdogs. Whatever US foreign policy is our politicians go along with it even though the people disagree with it. Thankfully this is starting to crack with smaller nations in the West standing against US foreign policy
Whilst BRICS will have some influence it won't blow away the West, and it won't match the main western economic organisations in relation to the USMCA, EU and CPTPP agreements, and the US led West will still maintain it's economic and military hegemony and status quo, and it should be noted that China would very much like to join the CPTPP, however this is unlikely.
The USMCA alone accounts for a third of the world's economy, and is you include the EU and CPTPP this accounts for nearly two thirds of the entire global economy.
China's population is declining, and in terms of China's economic power, it already relies on the West, which in reality far more important to China than the BRICS will ever be.
In terms of India it has a lot of poverty and social problems, and although vast in terms of size and population, is a long way from becoming a US type economic GDP per capita US type superpower. I also predict that India will end up forging ever closer links to the West and is a more likely candidate in terms of CPTPP membership than China will ever be.
As for Russia, the economy is not really going to go anywhere under Putin, and it's only after Putin is gone that Russia can hopefully forge better links with the rest of Europe and the Western World.
That is completely false. The Russian economy has grown drastically over the last few decades. Russia's economy is expected to grow by 3.2% this this year alone. They are doing better economically this year than nations like France, Germany, Italy and the UK. Next year is expected to be almost the same
That is completely false. The Russian economy has grown drastically over the last few decades. Russia's economy is expected to grow by 3.2% this this year alone. They are doing better economically this year than nations like France, Germany, Italy and the UK. Next year is expected to be almost the same
And importantly, keep in mind that this growth is despite the West expecting the Russian economy to plunge 20+% when they imposed their onslaught of sanctions on Russia. Still remember how they described the Russian economy as a gas station masquerading as a country?
The original US neocon plan was to slap sanction after sanction on Russia, cut it off from SWIFT and "seize" their central bank assets, predicting all that will result in a gigantic economic collapse they hoped will make the Russian people rise up against Putin and overthrow him. Needless to say it didn't turn out that way at all.
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Originally Posted by Paddy234
I live in a nation that is one of America's lapdogs. Whatever US foreign policy is our politicians go along with it even though the people disagree with it.
Talking about Australia and US military bases, Pine Gap is another one of those bases that Australians didn't want but was retained against their wishes. An elected Australian Prime minister who advocated for an independent foreign policy was fired. From Whitlam in the 70s to Hatoyama in 2009, turns out not even US allies are safe from their regime change attempts.
And importantly, keep in mind that this growth is despite the West expecting the Russian economy to plunge 20+% when they imposed their onslaught of sanctions on Russia. Still remember how they described the Russian economy as a gas station masquerading as a country?
The original US neocon plan was to slap sanction after sanction on Russia, cut it off from SWIFT and "seize" their central bank assets, predicting all that will result in a gigantic economic collapse they hoped will make the Russian people rise up against Putin and overthrow him. Needless to say it didn't turn out that way at all.
Talking about Australia and US military bases, Pine Gap is another one of those bases that Australians didn't want but was retained against their wishes. An elected Australian Prime minister who advocated for an independent foreign policy was fired. From Whitlam in the 70s to Hatoyama in 2009, turns out not even US allies are safe from their regime change attempts.
Which proves to me that the US trying to prevent a multi-polar world that has already been established is foolish and that these sanctions only hurt us more in the west than Russia.
In regards to US bases. I can't see that changing anytime soon unfortunately as China starts to assert itself across Asia. Australia more than ever feels heavily reliant on the US in regards to National security
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