Centralization Versus Decentralization Variety Ratio. What Countries Are Truly Belonging To Each Classification System? (salary, quality of life)

Originally Posted by mrconfusion87

Philippines is Highly Centralised - EVERYTHING is so focused on Metro Manila! Though the new president is hellbent on changing that!

I thought France is also Highly Centralised as the entire national infrastructure grid seems to be centered around Paris - just look at the way their highway and rail network is structured for example?!

Is Indonesia dealing with a very similar situation compared to the Philippines? Despite the collection of those thousands archipelago islands, the Philippines might not have enough urbanity to combine with Manila. Although, there are tons of equal desirable tourism attractions all over the region.

On the contrary! France is far beyond Paris Ile-De-France metro. There is Rhone-Alpes, Provence Cote d'Azur, Languedoc Roussillion, Midi-Pyrenees, Aquitaine, Nord-Pas-De-Calais, Alsace, Corsica, Reunion, Mayotte, French Polynesia Society Islands Tahiti, New Caledonia, French Guiana. Lyon, Nice, Marseille, Lille, Grenoble, Chamonix, Toulouse, Montpellier, Strasbourg. Exact headquarters of Airbus, one of the main Airplane making companies allowing an equal majority of airplanes to have up smoothly in the sky is from Toulouse Midi-Pyrenees area, and not Paris.

Originally Posted by Greysholic

Why do you find the Netherlands centralised? It's the exact opposite. Like if one needs an example of how a country is not centralised, the NL is gonna be it. The population is very spread out thanks to the flatness, the density and punctuality of the train network are amazing so it's very common for people to commute to work amongst the provinces daily (maybe except for people from Groningen as it's just ****ing far away), even in tiny cities there are efficient buses that run till midnight (and somtimes beyond), and quite frankly if you meet a Dutch person abroad and ask them where they are from in the Netherlands, they are most likely to say somewhere not Amsterdam. Those are not traits of a centralised state.

Taiwan, on the other hand, is very centralised. Taipei gets all the resources, especially the City of Taipei. Everywhere else is like rural backwater: Kaohsiung only has two metro lines and some trams, Taichung's is only currently under construction, and Tainan only has ****ty buses. These are all cities with more than 1.5 million people, but the public transportation is simply a ****ing joke. Of course the situation in real rural backwaters is even sadder.

Don't even get me started on the job opportunities. Taipei is already godawful in this regard, but the rest of the country sucks like 1000% more (except for Hsinchu where all the high/low tech-whatever crap is located, but well, there's nothing else there).

At this point, the Netherlands is the only one I am ambivalent (having mixed opinions) occasionally. Maybe the touristic vantage angle of reflection. What are those other top elite destination zones outside of Amsterdam on the mainland? Everyone has to remember Aruba, Bonaire, Curacao is belonging to the Netherlands with the tropical overseas regions.

However, quite wrong with the Taiwan analysis ironically. Taichung, Kaohsiung are other massive metropolis cities outside of Taipei with more than one million people each. All of those Silicon computer integrated circuits at those semiconductor fabrication plants Taiwan is establishing a monopoly market on lately are usually happening quite far outside of Taipei all over the country. Tourists are traveling all over. Not only Taipei.

[Davy-040]

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Your obsession of the economic statistical measure is quite overly arbitrary right now. Why below $10,000 per capita income? India, Georgia, Sri Lanka, Vietnam, Morocco are having enough Decentralization.

Just because a couple low-income countries are decentralized doesn't mean that the other 90+% are too.

[Greysholic]

Originally Posted by

At this point, the Netherlands is the only one I am ambivalent (having mixed opinions) occasionally. Maybe the touristic vantage angle of reflection. What are those other top elite destination zones outside of Amsterdam on the mainland? Everyone has to remember Aruba, Bonaire, Curacao is belonging to the Netherlands with the tropical overseas regions.

Aruba, Curacao, and Sint Maarten are countries in the realm of the Kingdom, saying the Netherlands is centralised because all the focus is on the European part is like saying the US is centralised because no one cares about American Samoa.

However, quite wrong with the Taiwan analysis ironically. Taichung, Kaohsiung are other massive metropolis cities outside of Taipei with more than one million people each. All of those Silicon computer integrated circuits at those semiconductor fabrication plants Taiwan is establishing a monopoly market on lately are usually happening quite far outside of Taipei all over the country. Tourists are traveling all over. Not only Taipei.

In terms of population, probably, but in terms of development it's pretty uneven. Like I said the computer things are all in Hsinchu, but there's nothing else there, they are like in the middle of nowhere.

Well I'm not a tourist so Idk where people go to. They probably travel all over because it's tiny so it's not that hard to move around.

[mrconfusion87]

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Is Indonesia dealing with a very similar situation compared to the Philippines? Despite the collection of those thousands archipelago islands, the Philippines might not have enough urbanity to combine with Manila. Although, there are tons of equal desirable tourism attractions all over the region.

On the contrary! France is far beyond Paris Ile-De-France metro. There is Rhone-Alpes, Provence Cote d'Azur, Languedoc Roussillion, Midi-Pyrenees, Aquitaine, Nord-Pas-De-Calais, Alsace, Corsica, Reunion, Mayotte, French Polynesia Society Islands Tahiti, New Caledonia, French Guiana. Lyon, Nice, Marseille, Lille, Grenoble, Chamonix, Toulouse, Montpellier, Strasbourg. Exact headquarters of Airbus, one of the main Airplane making companies allowing an equal majority of airplanes to have up smoothly in the sky is from Toulouse Midi-Pyrenees area, and not Paris.

Regarding France, thanks for the input. At least it's not as awfully bad in terms of centralisation as the Philippines then... Tourism-wise, I know both countries got tons of tourist attractions spread out throughout the country, but I was just responding to this thread as far as economic, cultural, and political power, as well as infrastructure and transportation grid are concerned.

For Indonesia, they were like the Philippines in overcentralizing things in the capital back in Suharto's time! But after Suharto fell out of power, steps were taken by the national government of Indonesia to delegate more powers to the provinces and regencies (districts within Indonesian provinces), and they are further along the decentralisation path than we are.

[mrconfusion87]

Add Thailand to the "highly centralised" list! I heard roughly half of all economic activity in Thailand is generated in the Bangkok region!

[Ariete]

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On the contrary! France is far beyond Paris Ile-De-France metro. There is Rhone-Alpes, Provence Cote d'Azur, Languedoc Roussillion, Midi-Pyrenees, Aquitaine, Nord-Pas-De-Calais, Alsace, Corsica, Reunion, Mayotte, French Polynesia Society Islands Tahiti, New Caledonia, French Guiana. Lyon, Nice, Marseille, Lille, Grenoble, Chamonix, Toulouse, Montpellier, Strasbourg. Exact headquarters of Airbus, one of the main Airplane making companies allowing an equal majority of airplanes to have up smoothly in the sky is from Toulouse Midi-Pyrenees area, and not Paris.

France is extremely centralised. The Île-de-France region creates 30% of the country's GDP. Rhône-Alpes is second, creating less than 10% of the total.

[NigerianNightmare]

For Nigeria it is kind of weird, although Lagos is the center of Nigeria, the country has nearly 20 metro areas that are over 1 million people now (the last census was 2006 and many cities have crossed that mark since then). Cities that are destinations outside of Lagos though is limited. Calabar (Metro is somewhere around a million) and Abuja are about the only places that have at least a million people that are major destinations while the rest of the cities range from Meh to outright dangerous. I would say that while centralized it is nowhere near the same level as Ethiopia and both congos. Although it is no South Africa either. One of the reasons why I think it is decentralized is because of religious and ethnic differences plus the history of having many different capitals have aloud it to be decentralized. Benin City, Lagos, Calabar, Ibadan, Abuja and Kano have all been capitals of Nigeria or pre-Nigerian empires at one point in their history.

[forgotten username]

France is pretty centralized although things are getting better with time.

Random conversation with an Italian person:

"oh, you are French ? Which neighborhood of Paris are you from ?
- ....."

[improb]

Italy is a decentralized country so much so that federalism has been proposed in several times during history. That's because before the Unification of the country, we were broken up in several little reigns and city states or under foreign occupation which meant that several cities developed. Rome, Milan, Naples and Turin and at a bit more of a stretch Bologna, Catania, Bari, Florence, Venice-Padua, Palermo and Genoa all have a population that's larger than one million of inhabitants in their metropolitalan area

Originally Posted by forgotten username

France is pretty centralized although things are getting better with time.

Random conversation with an Italian person:

"oh, you are French ? Which neighborhood of Paris are you from ?
- ....."

This is so true. The same goes with the United Kingdom or, how we call it, England. For us, it's London and little else. If the average Italian met a Scottish, he would demand either what part of England he is from or what part of London he is from.