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eqttrdr · 08-29-2021, 05:24 PM

doesn't matter if we reach 100% vaxxed rate.. the VID isn't going anywhere...

Let's get back to normal life as natural immunity has proven 13x more effective than any vxxs according to the highest vaxxed country of Israel

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....24.21262415v1

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PS90 · 08-31-2021, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by eqttrdr

doesn't matter if we reach 100% vaxxed rate.. the VID isn't going anywhere...

Let's get back to normal life as natural immunity has proven 13x more effective than any vxxs according to the highest vaxxed country of Israel

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....24.21262415v1

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Assuming that this isn't some fake news that is framed to look legit, that's very interesting since the Gub'mint keeps saying the opposite...

Transmition · 08-31-2021, 10:21 AM

The problem with natural immunity is that in order to get it you are exposing people to a significantly higher risk of death than the vaccine, and it still won't wipe it out. The millions more deaths makes it an unviable alternative. The vaccine drastically reduces the severity, even if it doesn't fully prevent you from catching it.

PS90 · 08-31-2021, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Transmition

The problem with natural immunity is that in order to get it you are exposing people to a significantly higher risk of death than the vaccine, and it still won't wipe it out. The millions more deaths makes it an unviable alternative. The vaccine drastically reduces the severity, even if it doesn't fully prevent you from catching it.

I disagree that it's an "unviable" alternative, because that's clearly what's happening right now. For whatever reason - lack of efficacy to variants, hesitancy, etc - the vaccines are obviously not working at this point to prevent Covid infection. So I would say that natural immunity is a very viable, and possibly only alternative, for better or for worse.

MechAndy · 08-31-2021, 01:42 PM

So I am now wondering what if you get a small exposure to the virus.
What I mean is like a micro dose.
Like if you were passing several feet away from an infected person and received a couple parts per million.
My thoughts were that a micro dose might trigger your immunities to kick in where as being stuck in a car or an elevator would over whelm you.

I have no idea but it does seem possible.
Maybe even more possible if you were vaccinated.
I kinda think this is already happening.

Just a thought.

Transmition · 08-31-2021, 02:27 PM

I love how people describe vaccines without realizing that they are describing vaccines.

flyingsaucermom · 08-31-2021, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by MechAndy

So I am now wondering what if you get a small exposure to the virus.
What I mean is like a micro dose.
Like if you were passing several feet away from an infected person and received a couple parts per million.
My thoughts were that a micro dose might trigger your immunities to kick in where as being stuck in a car or an elevator would over whelm you.

I have no idea but it does seem possible.
Maybe even more possible if you were vaccinated.
I kinda think this is already happening.

Just a thought.

This is basically how I got over my cat allergy between the ages of 16-20. I was born into a cat family, but when the family cat died at age 14 I quickly developed an asthma-inducing allergy towards cats. We had to rehome a couple of kittens after a few days because I couldn't breathe and my eyes were swollen and bloodshot.

I started immunotherapy just before my 16th birthday and continued through the first couple years of college. You start on a low dose and work yourself up to "maintenance" for as many as five years. I quit prematurely, but after I got to maintenance and it was sufficient enough that I was able to keep the cat that inadvertently came with my first apartment.

The thing about immunology is that it's a system and it's not static. There have been a few periods of my life where my cat allergy comes back, seemingly for no reason. I've been on and off of asthma drugs depending on how I'm feeling. I don't doubt that our bodies have the same ebb and flow with things like viruses or other infections.

Transmition · 08-31-2021, 02:40 PM

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I disagree that it's an "unviable" alternative, because that's clearly what's happening right now.

I don't think there is any evidence for that at all, I can't even guess why you think that.
Even at the lowest estimates of injury from infection, hundreds of thousands more would die. You wouldn't be saving anyone, just killing them sooner than doing nothing. It makes no sense at all.

MechAndy · 08-31-2021, 02:41 PM

PS90 · 08-31-2021, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Transmition

I don't think there is any evidence for that at all, I can't even guess why you think that.
Even at the lowest estimates of injury from infection, hundreds of thousands more would die. You wouldn't be saving anyone, just killing them sooner than doing nothing. It makes no sense at all.

Wait, what? There is a current surge going on. The many people being affected that make it through are developing natural immunity. How is there "no evidence"?

Natural immunity may not be the "ideal" alternative, but it's literally happening right now to everyone affected by the Delta variant. Just because some people are vaccinated doesn't mean other people aren't developing natural immunity.