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Old 08-30-2023, 03:54 PM
 
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Is anyone still using the Madalyn Hunter lesson plan model? My old district had an elementary school format based on the Hunter model that they adapted (badly) and imposed on everyone. Then they imposed an electronic format on us that was impossible to adapt. I would have to create one set of plans for the administration and another for what I was actually trying to do in class. I suspect I was not the only one.

When I would submit my plans for the class period to be observed, most often the administrator would not show up or be extremely late. Then they would observe at a time for which I had not submitted the same lesson plan. Then the evaluation would be based on them not having seen what they were told they would see. It kind of reminded me of the old joke about looking for the lost money/keys/contact lens under the street light rather than where it was actually dropped because it was easier to see under the streetlight. Duh!
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Old 08-30-2023, 04:06 PM
 
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Is anyone still using the Madalyn Hunter lesson plan model? My old district had an elementary school format based on the Hunter model that they adapted (badly) and imposed on everyone. Then they imposed an electronic format on us that was impossible to adapt. I would have to create one set of plans for the administration and another for what I was actually trying to do in class. I suspect I was not the only one.

When I would submit my plans for the class period to be observed, most often the administrator would not show up or be extremely late. Then they would observe at a time for which I had not submitted the same lesson plan. Then the evaluation would be based on them not having seen what they were told they would see. It kind of reminded me of the old joke about looking for the lost money/keys/contact lens under the street light rather than where it was actually dropped because it was easier to see under the streetlight. Duh!
The record for Admin no shows for one teacher was nine. It was really stupid, too. The observation would be scheduled for 1st or 2nd period and the Admins, none of them, showed up before 11 or so when Lunch started.

They'd even schedule parents to come in at 7 and the Senior Teacher in the Building (guess who that was) would have to gently break it to a parent who was missing work that whoever they were meeting with wouldn't be showing up for awhile.

Then they started doing drive by observations when they'd come into the room like a bull in a china shop and totally disrupt everything, talking to kids, asking the teacher what was going on, etc. If they'd sit down for a bit they would invariably be on their phones.
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Old 09-01-2023, 05:33 PM
 
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When I was teaching (back when the Rosetta stone was being chiseled), I always hated preparing lesson plans and being expected to adhere to them. [Probably one of the reasons I left teaching.]

I felt that my best lessons evolved during the class period as I could see how the students were reacting to what I was teaching.

Some ideas just took hold immediately and others required several approaches during the class period. I could be using the same lesson plan from previous years, but each class was different.
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Old 09-02-2023, 09:21 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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When I was teaching (back when the Rosetta stone was being chiseled), I always hated preparing lesson plans and being expected to adhere to them. [Probably one of the reasons I left teaching.]

I felt that my best lessons evolved during the class period as I could see how the students were reacting to what I was teaching.

Some ideas just took hold immediately and others required several approaches during the class period. I could be using the same lesson plan from previous years, but each class was different.
A lessson plan doesn't have to be ultra-specific and rigid. But teachers ought to have a roadmap, and not just wing it.
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Old 09-02-2023, 10:07 AM
 
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A lessson plan doesn't have to be ultra-specific and rigid. But teachers ought to have a roadmap, and not just wing it.
Absolutely! There is mental and physical prep involved in palnning instruction. Yes, you will have questions or may have too adapt a bit durig the lesson but being unprepared leads to very little learning.
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Old 09-02-2023, 10:43 AM
 
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A lessson plan doesn't have to be ultra-specific and rigid. But teachers ought to have a roadmap, and not just wing it.

That's so 2010. Now, if you have a pacing guide you best be doing whatever it says you do on whatever day. No time for extension, no time to answer related questions, no time to go back and remediate kids who didn't get it the first time. And you'd better be doing the exercises that guide tells you to. You weren't hired to be creative.
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Old 09-02-2023, 12:40 PM
 
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Absolutely! There is mental and physical prep involved in palnning instruction. Yes, you will have questions or may have too adapt a bit durig the lesson but being unprepared leads to very little learning.
I used to have a big notebook for each unit. It had the labs I usually did and other instructional stuff. At the end of each unit each year I'd review how things went. Toss some things, seek out others. Kept notes about adjustments that needed to be made. I didn't have to re-create the wheel each year, but it was always evolving.
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Old 09-02-2023, 12:42 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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That's so 2010. Now, if you have a pacing guide you best be doing whatever it says you do on whatever day. No time for extension, no time to answer related questions, no time to go back and remediate kids who didn't get it the first time. And you'd better be doing the exercises that guide tells you to. You weren't hired to be creative.
But I presume you aren't advocating that.
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Old 09-02-2023, 12:48 PM
 
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But I presume you aren't advocating that.
Not at all but that's today's reality in many school systems.

Having said that, there is some benefit if US History teachers can get past the Civil War.
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Old 09-02-2023, 12:52 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Not at all but that's today's reality in many school systems.

Having said that, there is some benefit if US History teachers can get past the Civil War.
LOL. Yes...even back in high school (which for me was the 1960s), we never even learned about WWII, let alone the Korean War.
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