Syracuse Area Home Building Numbers Ranked (New York, Buffalo: homes, college, housing market)

[bellafinzi]

https://www.newgeography.com/content...housing-market

Per 1,000 Population
Metropolitan Area (Housing Market) All Housing Units Rank Single Family Rank Multi-Family Rank Population in 000s
Akron, OH 4.36 62 1.15 88 3.22 31 700
Albany, NY 2.78 82 1.38 82 1.43 63 899
Albuquerque, NM 3.33 72 2.18 71 1.15 72 918
Allentown, PA-NJ 2.59 86 1.68 78 0.90 84 865
Atlanta, GA 7.68 32 4.29 33 3.39 28 6,144
Augusta, GA-SC 6.76 37 5.53 24 1.24 69 616
Austin, TX 18.25 3 8.62 10 9.63 1 2,352
Bakersfield, CA 3.04 78 2.71 56 0.33 106 918
Baltimore, MD 2.32 90 1.00 97 1.32 65 2,838
Baton Rouge, LA 4.38 59 4.05 38 0.33 105 872
Birmingham, AL 3.74 66 2.76 55 0.99 79 1,114
Boise, ID 13.14 9 7.44 13 5.71 5 795
Boston, MA-NH 2.98 80 0.82 103 2.17 43 4,900
Bridgeport-Stamford, CT 1.68 102 0.60 111 1.08 74 960
Buffalo, NY 1.34 106 1.00 96 0.34 104 1,162
Cape Coral, FL 17.57 4 11.75 4 5.82 4 788
Charleston, SC 11.28 14 7.56 11 3.72 24 813
Charlotte, NC-SC 10.06 17 7.03 16 3.03 34 2,701
Chattanooga, TN-GA 5.39 49 3.69 43 1.70 53 568
Chicago, IL-IN-WI 1.83 97 0.88 99 0.95 83 9,510
Cincinnati, OH-KY-IN 2.77 83 1.82 76 0.95 82 2,260
Cleveland, OH 1.60 103 1.37 83 0.23 107 2,076
Colorado Springs, CO 11.56 13 4.76 30 6.80 2 763
Columbia, SC 6.92 34 4.89 27 2.03 45 838
Columbus, OH 5.71 44 2.61 60 3.10 33 2,151
Dallas-Fort Worth, TX 9.96 19 5.59 22 4.37 19 7,760
Dayton, OH 2.77 84 1.54 80 1.23 70 814
Daytona Beach, FL 12.46 11 9.10 7 3.36 29 685
Denver, CO 7.90 29 3.40 48 4.50 16 2,973
Des Moines, IA 8.53 25 5.12 26 3.41 27 719
Detroit, MI 1.82 98 1.07 92 0.75 94 4,365
Durham, NC 9.98 18 4.85 29 5.13 11 654
El Paso, TX 3.25 75 2.81 54 0.44 100 871
Fayetteville, AR-MO 12.91 10 9.69 6 3.22 32 561
Fresno, CA 3.63 67 2.86 52 0.77 93 1,014
Grand Rapids, MI 3.60 68 2.31 69 1.29 66 1,092
Greensboro, NC 4.03 64 2.95 51 1.07 75 779
Greenville, SC 8.74 24 6.87 18 1.87 50 941
Harrisburg, PA 3.75 65 2.42 64 1.32 64 596
Hartford, CT 1.25 108 0.53 113 0.72 95 1,212
Honolulu, HI 2.58 87 0.65 105 1.92 48 1,001
Houston, TX 10.52 16 6.61 19 3.91 23 7,207
Indianapolis. IN 6.49 42 4.10 36 2.39 40 2,127
Jackson, MS 2.08 95 2.07 72 0.01 113 587
Jacksonville, FL 14.12 8 8.77 8 5.35 9 1,638
Kansas City, MO-KS 5.08 53 2.41 66 2.67 38 2,199
Knoxville, TN 5.65 47 4.48 31 1.17 71 893
Lakeland, FL 16.03 5 11.97 3 4.05 22 754
Lancaster, PA 2.32 91 1.46 81 0.86 88 554
Lansing, MI 1.81 99 0.85 100 0.95 81 540
Las Vegas, NV 5.70 45 4.02 39 1.69 55 2,292
Little Rock, AR 4.37 60 2.41 67 1.96 46 751
Los Angeles, CA 2.51 88 0.85 101 1.66 56 12,997
Louisville, KY-IN 4.05 63 2.60 61 1.45 62 1,285
Madison, WI 7.93 28 2.22 70 5.70 6 683
McAllen, TX 6.63 40 4.39 32 2.23 42 880
Melbourne, FL 8.51 26 6.91 17 1.60 57 617
Memphis, TN-MS-AR 3.23 77 2.62 59 0.62 97 1,336
Miami, FL 3.25 74 1.10 90 2.15 44 6,092
Milwaukee,WI 1.96 96 1.00 94 0.96 80 1,566
Minneapolis-St. Paul, MN-WI 6.76 38 2.47 63 4.29 20 3,691
Modesto, CA 1.25 109 1.16 87 0.09 110 553
Nashville, TN 9.30 22 7.55 12 1.75 52 2,012
New Haven CT 1.41 105 0.55 112 0.87 86 864
New Orleans. LA 3.32 73 2.48 62 0.84 89 1,262
New York, NY-NJ-PA 2.98 79 0.63 106 2.35 41 19,768
Ogden, UT 7.09 33 4.18 34 2.91 36 707
Oklahoma City, OK 4.75 57 4.15 35 0.60 98 1,442
Omaha, NE-IA 6.25 43 2.68 57 3.57 25 972
Orlando, FL 10.73 15 6.02 21 4.72 14 2,692
Oxnard, CA 1.58 104 0.61 110 0.99 78 840
Philadelphia, PA-NJ-DE-MD 2.23 94 1.22 85 1.01 77 6,229
Phoenix, AZ 9.58 20 5.42 25 4.15 21 4,946
Pittsburgh, PA 1.71 100 1.28 84 0.43 101 2,354
Portland, ME 6.61 41 3.61 44 2.99 35 557
Portland, OR-WA 5.21 51 2.38 68 2.83 37 2,512
Poughkeepsie, NY 2.28 93 1.17 86 1.12 73 702
Providence, RI-MA 1.28 107 0.92 98 0.36 102 1,676
Provo, UT 11.87 12 7.37 14 4.51 15 697
Raleigh, NC 14.88 7 8.63 9 6.25 3 1,448
Richmond, VA 7.86 30 3.40 47 4.46 17 1,324
Riverside-San Bernardino, CA 3.51 69 2.62 58 0.89 85 4,653
Rochester, NY 2.30 92 1.04 93 1.26 68 1,085
Sacramento, CA 4.44 58 3.37 49 1.07 76 2,411
Salt Lake City, UT 7.85 31 2.98 50 4.87 13 1,263
San Antonio, TX 9.23 23 3.91 41 5.32 10 2,602
San Diego, CA 2.87 81 1.07 91 1.80 51 3,286
San Francisco, CA 2.39 89 0.70 104 1.69 54 4,623
San Jose, CA 3.47 71 1.89 74 1.58 59 1,952
Sarasota, FL 18.39 2 12.80 2 5.59 7 860
Scranton, PA 0.93 111 0.84 102 0.09 109 568
Seattle, WA 6.69 39 1.75 77 4.93 12 4,012
Spokane, WA 6.87 35 3.40 46 3.47 26 593
Springfield, MA 1.06 110 0.62 109 0.45 99 695
St. Louis,, MO-IL 3.23 76 1.64 79 1.59 58 2,809
Stockton, CA 4.82 56 3.98 40 0.84 90 789
Syracuse, NY 0.70 112 0.63 108 0.07 111 658
Tampa-St. Petersburg, FL 9.31 21 4.87 28 4.44 18 3,220
Toledo, OH 1.69 101 1.00 95 0.69 96 644
Tucson, AZ 5.45 48 3.57 45 1.88 49 1,052
Tulsa, OK 5.01 54 3.74 42 1.27 67 1,024
Virginia Beach-Norfolk, VA-NC 3.48 70 2.03 73 1.45 61 1,803
Washington, DC-VA-MD-WV 5.08 52 1.83 75 3.25 30 6,356
Wichita, KS 4.37 61 2.42 65 1.95 47 648
Winston-Salem, NC 5.69 46 5.59 23 0.10 108 681
Worcester, MA-CT 2.64 85 1.12 89 1.52 60 978
Youngstown, OH-PA 0.64 113 0.63 107 0.01 112 538
Fayetteville, NC 4.89 55 4.09 37 0.80 92 525
Lexington-Fayette, KY 5.24 50 2.83 53 2.41 39 518
Pensacola, FL 6.81 36 6.47 20 0.34 103 516
Myrtle Beach, SC-NC 23.52 1 22.66 1 0.87 87 510
Port St. Lucie, FL 15.27 6 9.83 5 5.43 8 504
Huntsville, AL 8.03 27 7.20 15 0.83 91 503
AVERAGE: 113 Markets 5.33 2.90 2.43
Derived from Census Bureau data

[ckhthankgod]

Basically, the area needs to build new housing at a higher pace. Especially given the Micron announcement, even though, it really has needed to build more units that aren't just Downtown, geared towards college students or some suburban developments here and there.

[bellafinzi]

Yes.

The county should make this a priority. If nothing changes then it could make homes unaffordable to Syracuse Area natives.

[ckhthankgod]

Originally Posted by bellafinzi

Yes.

The county should make this a priority. If nothing changes then it could make homes unaffordable to Syracuse Area natives.

Not just Onondaga County, but parts of Oswego and Madison counties close to Onondaga County as well, given that they are a part of the Syracuse MSA. Even Cayuga County, which is in the Syracuse CSA.

[bellafinzi]

Syracuse was rank 20th last year for least number of residential building permits out of 225 US metropolitan areas.

https://www.chamberofcommerce.org/new-home-construction

Metro Area Average Permits Per Month: 2023 Number of Single-Family Homes: 2023 Number of Multi-Unit Residential Homes: 2023 Total New Homes: 2023

1 Erie, PA 9 28 8 36
2 Rockford, IL 12 40 8 48
3 Charleston, WV 12 46 0 46
4 Peoria, IL 13 52 0 52
5 Springfield, IL 13 46 6 52
6 Flint, MI 14 54 2 56
7 Norwich, CT 16 63 2 65
8 Utica, NY 18 49 22 71
9 Huntington, WV 19 73 4 77
10 Binghamton, NY 20 26 55 81
11 Elkhart, IN 20 79 0 79
12 Youngstown, OH 23 86 4 90
13 Topeka, KS 24 96 0 96
14 Reading, PA 24 90 4 94
15 South Bend, IN 26 99 4 103
16 Santa Cruz, CA 31 76 49 125
17 Barnstable Town, MA 31 115 9 124
18 Anchorage, AK 33 110 22 132
19 Longview, TX 33 89 42 131
20 Syracuse, NY 33 122 8 130
21 Duluth, MN 33 76 54 130
22 Merced, CA 33 130 0 130
23 St. Cloud, MN 37 99 50 149
24 Macon, GA 39 157 0 157
25 Scranton, PA 39 121 33

[ckhthankgod]

Originally Posted by bellafinzi

Syracuse was rank 20th last year for least number of residential building permits out of 225 US metropolitan areas.

https://www.chamberofcommerce.org/new-home-construction

Metro Area Average Permits Per Month: 2023 Number of Single-Family Homes: 2023 Number of Multi-Unit Residential Homes: 2023 Total New Homes: 2023

1 Erie, PA 9 28 8 36
2 Rockford, IL 12 40 8 48
3 Charleston, WV 12 46 0 46
4 Peoria, IL 13 52 0 52
5 Springfield, IL 13 46 6 52
6 Flint, MI 14 54 2 56
7 Norwich, CT 16 63 2 65
8 Utica, NY 18 49 22 71
9 Huntington, WV 19 73 4 77
10 Binghamton, NY 20 26 55 81
11 Elkhart, IN 20 79 0 79
12 Youngstown, OH 23 86 4 90
13 Topeka, KS 24 96 0 96
14 Reading, PA 24 90 4 94
15 South Bend, IN 26 99 4 103
16 Santa Cruz, CA 31 76 49 125
17 Barnstable Town, MA 31 115 9 124
18 Anchorage, AK 33 110 22 132
19 Longview, TX 33 89 42 131
20 Syracuse, NY 33 122 8 130
21 Duluth, MN 33 76 54 130
22 Merced, CA 33 130 0 130
23 St. Cloud, MN 37 99 50 149
24 Macon, GA 39 157 0 157
25 Scranton, PA 39 121 33

I’m curious what the ranking would be if all 384 metropolitan areas were on the list.

This also touches on the need for more housing in the area.

[bellafinzi]

https://youtu.be/XRr2HtxVaeg?si=Oo8fm-U202CvrOw7

How to fix the housing shortage in the Syracuse area plan

1. Expand water and sewer lines all over the northern half of Onondaga County

2. Give incentives for new home developers from Buffalo, Rochester and Albany to enter the Syracuse area market for a couple years.

3. Have the county Buy hundreds of acres of land and make it shovel ready for new home construction, sell it back to developers for a reasonable price.

4. Put in New roads, sidewalks sewer and water lines in places that can support a walkable neighborhood.

5. Reach out to national home builders to expand in the area.

6. Focus on building new housing developments in high vibe areas like Lysander, Van Buren South of 690, Manilus area between Pompey and Cazenovia, near Eldridge, Camillus west of the village, Onondaga Hill, Brewerton, Cicero near south Bay road, Skaneateles, Marcellus and around Great Northern Mall on Route 31 in Clay.

7. Start widening roads like in the town of Onondaga to handle the future traffic from the future thousands of new homes.

[ckhthankgod]

Originally Posted by bellafinzi

https://youtu.be/XRr2HtxVaeg?si=Oo8fm-U202CvrOw7

How to fix the housing shortage in the Syracuse area plan

1. Expand water and sewer lines all over the northern half of Onondaga County

2. Give incentives for new home developers from Buffalo, Rochester and Albany to enter the Syracuse area market for a couple years.

3. Have the county Buy hundreds of acres of land and make it shovel ready for new home construction, sell it back to developers for a reasonable price.

4. Put in New roads, sidewalks sewer and water lines in places that can support a walkable neighborhood.

5. Reach out to national home builders to expand in the area.

6. Focus on building new housing developments in high vibe areas like Lysander, Van Buren South of 690, Manilus area between Pompey and Cazenovia, near Eldridge, Camillus west of the village, Onondaga Hill, Brewerton, Cicero near south Bay road, Skaneateles, Marcellus and around Great Northern Mall on Route 31 in Clay.

7. Start widening roads like in the town of Onondaga to handle the future traffic from the future thousands of new homes.

The thing is that a lot of the new building has done most of this. The lack of infill and options in more walkable areas is something that really needs to be addressed, whether in the city, villages that can handle it(Solvay, East Syracuse, Minoa, etc.) or even older suburban communities like Mattydale, Nedrow, Lyncourt, Lakeland, (etc.).

I think there does need to be more sidewalk infrastructure in the suburbs and the thing to consider is that the area, while it needs updated infrastructure like most areas do to some degree, was built out to hold more people than it does now.

[bellafinzi]

Problem is that other than the small villages of Liverpool, Skaneateles and Fayetteville living in a single family house in a walkable safe, attractive, high vibe community with good schools is limited in Onondaga County.

Build new ones in Bridgeport, Brewerton, near Onondaga community college, Eldridge, Jordan and three rivers.

Onondaga County leadership should be thinking like Carmel Indiana. Grand scale stuff with impressive architecture. Go big or people won't want to live there.

Great northern mall redevelopment is impressive and will attract people because it looks great. Do the same all over Onondaga County.

[ckhthankgod]

Originally Posted by bellafinzi

Problem is that other than the small villages of Liverpool, Skaneateles and Fayetteville living in a single family house in a walkable safe, attractive, high vibe community with good schools is limited in Onondaga County.

Build new ones in Bridgeport, Brewerton, near Onondaga community college, Eldridge, Jordan and three rivers.

Onondaga County leadership should be thinking like Carmel Indiana. Grand scale stuff with impressive architecture. Go big or people won't want to live there.

Great northern mall redevelopment is impressive and will attract people because it looks great. Do the same all over Onondaga County.

Again, the bolded is a very subjective view. Marcellus, Cazenovia, Baldwinsville, Tully and Manlius are some other area villages with walkability and good schools.

Jordan and Elbridge are two villages in a more rural setting; while Bridgeport and Brewerton may work, but are also further out.

Carmel is essentially a large planned community city within Clay Township in Hamilton County just outside of Indianapolis. You already have Radisson in the town of Lysander and given what I mentioned in the Baldwinsville/Lysander thread, you could actually just build the Radisson Community out to the the initial plans that HUD had for that and other communities: https://www.city-data.com/forum/66779356-post92.html

You can or would have to infill in terms of a business district, but the point is that you already have communities in place where you can use existing infrastructure or at least enhance what is already in place.