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Old 04-06-2023, 05:48 PM
 
Location: SE corner of the Ozark Redoubt
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Right now, aside from "remember to keep one bullet for yourself", I don't have many answers aside from hunkering down, keep to the shadows, and eat a good diet.
My advice has always been to make peace with your maker.
The "Romans Road" is always a good meeting place.
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Old 04-07-2023, 02:47 PM
 
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Not to rain on your parade but in the big picture the world is in the best shape its ever been:

In 1950 the percentage of people living in extreme poverty has declined from 58.9 % to 8.9%
In 1950 the global average life expectancy was 45.51 years. Current estimates are 73.16 years

People used to fear overpopulation and resulting starvation or wars. Now the world produces plenty of food and there are very few wars going on.

but of course the focus of this sub-forum is a glass is half full, defensive mind-set so I imagine this post will be ignored or deleted
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Old 04-07-2023, 08:34 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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In 1950 the percentage of people living in extreme poverty has declined from 58.9 % to 8.9%
In 1950 the global average life expectancy was 45.51 years. Current estimates are 73.16 years
Declining Poverty? Methinks folks have been conditioned to accept less is more. And who determines what is poverty? Money tokens ? Sufficient food ? Adequate shelter ? Inexpensive and accessible health care ?
Let's not forget the current ephemeral appliance debacle, where once they lasted 20 - 30 years, but now crap out in 4 - 8 years.
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Life expectancy in the USA (1960) was 70. Now (2023) it's 77.
World Average is 72.
That sounds FANTASTIC - except when you factor in the drop in birthrate.
Why is that a problem?
As population ages out, and becomes a recipient of other people's tax money, you need a growing tax base.
If the recipient base is growing and the taxpaying base is shrinking, don't you think SOMETHING IS GOING TO GO WRONG?
https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/researc...-state-budgets

I'd hazard a guess that the socialist paradises that relied on "taxing other people's children" are in for some HARD TIMES.
Either euthanasia or a taxpayer revolt, or both.
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Old 04-08-2023, 04:00 AM
 
Location: rural south west UK
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Declining Poverty? Methinks folks have been conditioned to accept less is more. And who determines what is poverty? Money tokens ? Sufficient food ? Adequate shelter ? Inexpensive and accessible health care ?
Let's not forget the current ephemeral appliance debacle, where once they lasted 20 - 30 years, but now crap out in 4 - 8 years.
- - -
Life expectancy in the USA (1960) was 70. Now (2023) it's 77.
World Average is 72.
That sounds FANTASTIC - except when you factor in the drop in birthrate.
Why is that a problem?
As population ages out, and becomes a recipient of other people's tax money, you need a growing tax base.
If the recipient base is growing and the taxpaying base is shrinking, don't you think SOMETHING IS GOING TO GO WRONG?
https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/researc...-state-budgets

I'd hazard a guess that the socialist paradises that relied on "taxing other people's children" are in for some HARD TIMES.
Either euthanasia or a taxpayer revolt, or both.
thats what the slow apocalypse is for.
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Old 04-08-2023, 05:10 AM
 
Location: Maine
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Not to rain on your parade but in the big picture the world is in the best shape its ever been:

In 1950 the percentage of people living in extreme poverty has declined from 58.9 % to 8.9%
In 1950 the global average life expectancy was 45.51 years. Current estimates are 73.16 years

People used to fear overpopulation and resulting starvation or wars. Now the world produces plenty of food and there are very few wars going on.

but of course the focus of this sub-forum is a glass is half full, defensive mind-set so I imagine this post will be ignored or deleted
While things might be better that they were prior to the 1950's, I believe we have peaked and are now on a steady decline, Like a Bell curve.
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Old 04-08-2023, 07:42 AM
 
Location: rural south west UK
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While things might be better that they were prior to the 1950's, I believe we have peaked and are now on a steady decline, Like a Bell curve.
Western civilisations have been on a steady decline for some time now. its just that most people cant see it.
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Old 04-08-2023, 11:16 AM
 
Location: SE corner of the Ozark Redoubt
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While things might be better that they were prior to the 1950's, I believe we have peaked and are now on a steady decline, Like a Bell curve.
In the 1950's, a second country got nuclear weapons, now almost a dozen of them do, and half of those are unstable.

In the 1950's the US manufactured most of what it needed, and grew most of its own food.
Today we import most of what we need, and have no idea where our food is coming from.

In the 1950's most households got along with two parents and one income.
Today, most have one and a half incomes, and one parent.

In the 1950's teachers had to worry about kids talking and chewing gum in class.
Maybe smoking in the boys room.
Now the boys are shooting drugs in the boys room (or the girls locker room),
and the teachers are showing them how two men have sex.

In the 1950's, law and order was a given, and mental cases weren't seen, today law and order is the exception, in large cities, and the mental cases are camped out on the streets, and on Facebook.

In the 1950's, video cameras were rare and the size of a car. People had basic privacy. Today they are the size of a nickel, and no one has basic privacy. Many can't remember what it was.

Our civilization became apostate from God, around 1900. Began to stumble in the early 60's and began to crumble, early in the 21st century. I measure the peak for the US in late 2006 or maybe 2007. In 2006, having grown tired of being prosperous and free, we voted in a congress that promised to impoverish and enslave us. In 2007, they took office and began to do just that, and that was also the year that "Smart" phones began to dumb us down. Our nation essentially died in 2012 (beyond the scope of this rant) and like someone whose heart has quite beating, our country will not last many more years.

I find it odd that this was all forecast, many years ago, and that as the forecasts become true, people use the forecast as "evidence" that it will come true. About thirty years ago, Ross Perot (and others) told us that the chickens would come home to roost around 2030-2035. Now things are coming home to roost, and people use Ross Perot's (and others) forecasts as evidence that it won't happen.

It is like a weatherman forecasting "storms next week" and 5 days later, as the clouds roll in and lightning begins to flash, you hear some people say they don't believe it will storm, since the weatherman has been saying that for 5 days.
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Old 04-08-2023, 11:19 AM
 
Location: SE corner of the Ozark Redoubt
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Western civilisations have been on a steady decline for some time now. its just that most people cant see it.
Not sure where the "bell curve" peaked over there, but here, it seems to have peaked somewhere around 1990 - 2007.

From his writings, it seems like Sir John Glubb thought British Civilization began its final slide just before he wrote "Fate of Empires." He mentions the "Welfare State" as an indicator that British civilization would soon (within 80 years, more or less) collapse.

Around Y2K, I used to forecast our collapse for around 2040, but any more, I don't think it will make it that long.
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Old 04-08-2023, 01:37 PM
 
Location: rural south west UK
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Not sure where the "bell curve" peaked over there, but here, it seems to have peaked somewhere around 1990 - 2007.

From his writings, it seems like Sir John Glubb thought British Civilization began its final slide just before he wrote "Fate of Empires." He mentions the "Welfare State" as an indicator that British civilization would soon (within 80 years, more or less) collapse.

Around Y2K, I used to forecast our collapse for around 2040, but any more, I don't think it will make it that long.
80 years does seem to be too long, maybe the final act of collapse could be around 2040 as you say but the majority of the population will be dead long before the end.
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Old 04-08-2023, 04:07 PM
 
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Either euthanasia or a taxpayer revolt, or both.
If people don't have children or a support system for their old age, euthanasia become a reasonable option.

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As Canada prepares to expand its euthanasia law to include those with mental illness, some Canadians - including many of the country's doctors - question whether the country's assisted death programme has already moved too far, too fast.

In that first year, a little over 1,000 people received an assisted death, a number that has grown every year since. In 2021, the most recent figures available, there were 10,064 Maid cases, accounting for 3.3% of all deaths in Canada.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-64004329

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TORONTO (AP) — Alan Nichols had a history of depression and other medical issues, but none were life-threatening. When the 61-year-old Canadian was hospitalized in June 2019 over fears he might be suicidal, he asked his brother to “bust him out” as soon as possible.

Within a month, Nichols submitted a request to be euthanized and he was killed, despite concerns raised by his family and a nurse practitioner.

His application for euthanasia listed only one health condition as the reason for his request to die: hearing loss.
https://apnews.com/article/covid-sci...d2b5cfd360a867

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After pleading unsuccessfully for affordable housing to help ease her chronic health condition, a Canadian woman ended her life in February under the country’s assisted-suicide laws. Another woman, suffering from the same condition and also living on disability payments, has nearly reached final approval to end her life.

The two high-profile cases have prompted disbelief and outrage, and shone a light on Canada’s right-to-die laws, which critics argue are being misused to punish the poor and infirm. In late April, the Spectator ran a story with the provocative headline: Why is Canada euthanising the poor?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ht-to-die-laws

Who else was big on euthanasia - Hitler! He euthanized senior citizens to cut the German pension system.
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