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the Jews don't believe in the divinity of Jesus, because they wrote the whole thing as a way to corrupt their Roman overlords.
THE OLD TESTAMENT
The Jewish elite wrote the first part of 'Judaism' only after 536 BC upon returning from Babylon captivity. They wrote and invented characters like Moses, David and Solomon as a means to unite the Samaritan and Judean peasants under their authority in Nehemiah's temple in Jerusalem. They were given this authority by the King of Persia to collect taxes for him through the temple. He didn't trust them with an army, so they were left with 'rule through religion'.
The oldest books of the bible are actually cobbled together pieces of Egyptian poetry, Persian theology (i.e. angels and monotheism) and folk 'histories' of the Samaritans (old Israel) and Judeans. The evidence that this is exactly what went on is from the Samaritans, themselves. At the time of Nehemiah's 'rebuilding' of the Jerusalem temple, the leader of the Samaritans, named Sanballat, was making fun of Nehemiah and building his own temple on Mt. Gezarim in Nablus, West Bank. Today, this site is being exacavated by Israeli archeologists. Sanballat's temple was dedicated to Elohim, the god of the Samaritans. Nehemiah's temple was dedicated to Yaweh, the god of the Judeans. Both gods, go way back as minor household gods in the Semitic pantheon and are mentioned as early as 3,000 BC (royal archives of Ebla) as minor gods under the main god Dagon. The Samaritans didn't believe the clap trap the Jews were telling them. This is the original source of the animosity between Jews and Samaritans mentioned in the New Testament.
The Jews found that these fake documents worked and fooled a lot of hoi polloi Jews. The 'religion' established itself in the area. It was further tweaked as the Jews fought Greek influence of the Seleucid empire. New books were added to the old testament. The Septaguint was written in Greek and added to the library at Alexandria. For a century, the Seleucids allowed the Jews to rule Palestine (approx 164 BC to 64BC). Then the Romans came in and took over rule of Palestine.
THE NEW TESTAMENT
The Jews, smarting under Roman rule, realized they were never going to physically get rid of these conquerors. They decided to invent yet another new religion for 'the gentiles' to worm their way into how the conquerors thought. Think of it this way, the Jews said, "You may rule our land, but we will rule your minds!"
The Jews had already practiced corrupting a people by their own religion and so they set about doing it to the Romans. The whole purpose of Christianity was to turn Romans into second-class Jews and then rule them through religion. The exercise was itself corrupted when Jews were usurped by Greeks who caught on to what they were doing and saw it as a means to further their own power among the Romans. The Greeks had expelled the Jews from early Christianity by the end of the 1st century. It was then that they began building the mythology of modern Christianity.
This is the short tour, but it is accurate. This is the reason Jews don't acknowledge Christianity - they know it is a fake religion. What the Jews don't understand is, "Judaism is the mother of all fake religions". A final addendum to this, it is highly likely that 'Christianity' pre-existed the Jews tinkering with it. This earliest, now lost Christianity would have been a form of Zoarastrianism moderated by Greek Neo-Platonic philosophy. The evidence for this exists in ancient church records and in the theology of Christianity, itself. The more profound aspects of Christian theology are owing to these two sources, not Judaism.
the Jews don't believe in the divinity of Jesus, because they wrote the whole thing as a way to corrupt their Roman overlords.
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THE OLD TESTAMENT
The Jews found that these fake documents worked and fooled a lot of hoi polloi Jews. The 'religion' established itself in the area. It was further tweaked as the Jews fought Greek influence of the Seleucid empire. New books were added to the old testament. The Septaguint was written in Greek and added to the library at Alexandria. For a century, the Seleucids allowed the Jews to rule Palestine (approx 164 BC to 64BC). Then the Romans came in and took over rule of Palestine.
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The Jews, smarting under Roman rule, realized they were never going to physically get rid of these conquerors. They decided to invent yet another new religion for 'the gentiles' to worm their way into how the conquerors thought. Think of it this way, the Jews said, "You may rule our land, but we will rule your minds!"
That's a fantastic theory! Are you serious, or just in a joyful mood?
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The whole purpose of Christianity was to turn Romans into second-class Jews and then rule them through religion.
That's the most hillarious thing I ever heard!
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This is the short tour, but it is accurate. This is the reason Jews don't acknowledge Christianity - they know it is a fake religion. What the Jews don't understand is, "Judaism is the mother of all fake religions". A final addendum to this, it is highly likely that 'Christianity' pre-existed the Jews tinkering with it. This earliest, now lost Christianity would have been a form of Zoarastrianism moderated by Greek Neo-Platonic philosophy. The evidence for this exists in ancient church records and in the theology of Christianity, itself. The more profound aspects of Christian theology are owing to these two sources, not Judaism.
"ACCURATE" !? I'll confess that I read many weird things on the forums. In regard to religion, I read arguments made by believers of many religions. In contrast, others are non believers or atheists. Each side has it's own arguments and I understand both. But that's the first time I read such pseudo scientific/philosophical horse crap in a single post. You made my day!
I'll confess that I read many weird things on the forums. In regard to religion, I read arguments made by believers of many religions. In contrast, others are non believers or atheists. Each side has it's own arguments and I understand both. But that's the first time I read such pseudo scientific/philosophical horse crap in a single post. You made my day!
You took the words right out of my mouth. All that post needed was a reference or two to Wikipedia, and it would have been complete!
Speaking as one of those Jewish people, I can tell the truth even if it is to my own hurt.
Jesus is the Messiah. He came and went. Our forefathers missed him, but not all. There were many people who believed in Jesus. Some of these people were the disciples who took the good news of Emanuel to the world.
Abraham believed God and it was counted to him for righteousness. It was by faith that Abraham became the father to the those who believe. Not just to have his blood descendants to be blessed and called the children of God, but that he became the father to all who believe in God. He is the father of faith.
It is not my religious beliefs that I am imposing, rather I am speaking the truth. May the Lord God save Israel. May there be peace in Israel and may Jacob come to the realization that Jesus is the Messiah.
Emanuel???? Emanuel Cepeda? wasn't he a shortstop?
You took the words right out of my mouth. All that post needed was a reference or two to Wikipedia, and it would have been complete!
Doncha just love it when someone quotes from "lost texts", kinda like that old line out of monty python, "She turned me into a newt..... Uh......I got better."
Speaking as one of those Jewish people, I can tell the truth even if it is to my own hurt.
Jesus is the Messiah. He came and went. Our forefathers missed him, but not all. There were many people who believed in Jesus. Some of these people were the disciples who took the good news of Emanuel to the world.
Abraham believed God and it was counted to him for righteousness. It was by faith that Abraham became the father to the those who believe. Not just to have his blood descendants to be blessed and called the children of God, but that he became the father to all who believe in God. He is the father of faith.
It is not my religious beliefs that I am imposing, rather I am speaking the truth. May the Lord God save Israel. May there be peace in Israel and may Jacob come to the realization that Jesus is the Messiah.
The historical confirmations are quite impressive already . . . it will eventually sink in to even the most hard headed that their long-awaited Messiah had already come, Nikk and become "the cornerstone that the builders rejected."
The historical confirmations are quite impressive already . . . it will eventually sink in to even the most hard headed that their long-awaited Messiah had already come, Nikk and become "the cornerstone that the builders rejected."
... dare not even think that far anymore. (Precisely such are "the historical confirmations"!!)
I realize that there is an interconnectedness in the history of the Christian faith and Judaism and I'm certainly no expert on the subject. From the Christian perspective the Bible clearly states that the Jews are the chosen people and Jesus himself is said to be a Jew. What seems perplexing to me is that the main religion of the Jews in the world is Judaism which of course has it's own set of beliefs and doesn't accept Jesus as the messiah. My question isn't really about Jusaism, it's about Christianity, and I'm simply wondering why the chosen people according to the Christian faith are the Jews and yet they don't even share the basic beliefs of Christians. This brings up a few questions. Christians believe that only by accepting Christ can an individual be saved. Does this mean that the overwhelming majority of Jews, God's chosen people, will not be saved? Also, doesn't it seem very strange that God's chosen people, according to Christianity, aren't even believers in the Christian faith?
According to the Bible, the Jewish people would reject their Redeemer when He would first appear, and that is why in the end of days when He would appear again, the Jewish people are predicted to be so upset. That can be found in Zechariah. chapter 12, verses 9 to 14 of the Old Testament.
Jewish people don't believe in hell, so they do not have anything to be saved from.
Christianity is a sect of Judaism. Even though most jewish people reject it. God however is still going to bless the children of Abraham because of his faith in God. Abraham beleived and saw Jesus, his descendants are the ones who have rejected Jesus. One day the veil that is before the eyes of the Jewish nation will fall off and they will be resored. They will then beleive in Jesus and be the most agressive evangelist this world has ever seen. They will be restored as Moses prophesied in Deut: 30.
There is at least one other competing theory, that perhaps, one day, sometime far into the future when the christers come to their senses, they will see the foolishness of worshiping a non-existent diety. ( that is a serious redundancy - "non-existent diety" kinda like saying an "imaginary ghost" or an "illogical religious belief structure"
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