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Except it does not make sense, it fails for the common reason that when the argument is also applied to the god did it hypothesis, you once again get an eternal chain of creator gods. If existence requires a god, then the existence of that god requires another god, and that god, ... ad infinitum. And the flawed Kalam's special pleading mantra does not refute the problem, it just pretends to answer it.
You never have comprehended the difference between my view of God and the mandated God of "religions" the forum recognizes and enforces. There is no endless Creator issue because God IS existence. God IS Life (inexplicable life is your primary deficiency). We do not need an explanation for it any more than we do for the existence you accept without question. Everything that exists is part of God, period. God's "life processes" establish what you call the "natural laws." You have no mechanism to dispute it other than consensus (ad populum) and scientific limitations. Evolution requires life to operate and there is no mechanism to turn dead and lifeless "processes" into motivated life.
You are so invested in the God of ignorant religious dogma you are incapable of freeing your mind from their incompatible descriptions and absurdities. You are an anti-religionist more than an atheist. That seems to be true of this forum and its rulers as well or my panentheist God would not be discriminated against.
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That you need to dismiss a valid objection as 'glib oneliners' is evidence you have no valid arguments for your position, therefore you need to rely, as usual, on an ad hominem. A PhD should not need to use methods cranks use.
Then do not imagine, think rationally. Any life form that does not have any type of motivation will die out. Only those with any attribute that 'motivates' it to survive will do so. It is hard to imagine life NOT acquiring motivation when one thinks rationally. We can explain how evolution works in the science section.
That is your Achille's heel. you have no mechanism to turn dead lifeless "processes" into motivated life, period. The motivation is the sticky wicket and it only gets stickier when the motivation is at our level of consciousness. Your view is myopic and dismissive of the most essential aspects of existence. Existence is Life and a living existence with consciousness is the epitome of God. Creator Schmeator!
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Yet theists (including you) are happy their god just IS. Thank you for your classic example of applying your own argument to your hypothesis and seeing your hypothesis also fail, because you argument IS that bad.
That is the problem, we are stuck with what "Just IS." Neither of us have a way to get away from it. You prefer a dead lifeless set of "processes" as the essence of your existence. I found out that was extremely misguided. We may never know God's level of direct or indirect involvement in our lives. My encounter assures me that God is aware of us and loves us, but the expectations of God's OmniMax direct involvement as found in the religions is moot, at best, IMO.
You never have comprehended the difference between my view of God and the mandated God of "religions" the forum recognizes and enforces. There is no endless Creator issue because God IS existence. God IS Life (inexplicable life is your primary deficiency). We do not need an explanation for it any more than we do for the existence you accept without question. Everything that exists is part of God, period. God's "life processes" establish what you call the "natural laws." You have no mechanism to dispute it other than consensus (ad populum) and scientific limitations. Evolution requires life to operate and there is no mechanism to turn dead and lifeless "processes" into motivated life.
You are so invested in the God of ignorant religious dogma you are incapable of freeing your mind from their incompatible descriptions and absurdities. You are an anti-religionist more than an atheist. That seems to be true of this forum and its rulers as well or my panentheist God would not be discriminated against. That is your Achille's heel. you have no mechanism to turn dead lifeless "processes" into motivated life, period. The motivation is the sticky wicket and it only gets stickier when the motivation is at our level of consciousness. Your view is myopic and dismissive of the most essential aspects of existence. Existence is Life and a living existence with consciousness is the epitome of God. Creator Schmeator! That is the problem, we are stuck with what "Just IS." Neither of us have a way to get away from it. You prefer a dead lifeless set of "processes" as the essence of your existence. I found out that was extremely misguided. We may never know God's level of direct or indirect involvement in our lives. My encounter assures me that God is aware of us and loves us, but the expectations of God's OmniMax direct involvement as found in the religions is moot, at best, IMO.
It's ironic that you're telling another poster that he is "so invested in the G-d of ignorant religious dogma" when you do the exact same thing. You have frequently posted it on this and the Christianity forums. If G-d IS Life and we do not need any explanation for it any more then we do for the existence we accept without question, then it also follows that we do not need a name or a separate role for G-d. Yet you have repeatedly stated that "Jesus" is the Way, the Truth, and the Life, and only by accepting and becoming like him can we get to heaven.
You never have comprehended the difference between my view of God and the mandated God of "religions" the forum recognizes and enforces. There is no endless Creator issue because God IS existence. God IS Life (inexplicable life is your primary deficiency). We do not need an explanation for it any more than we do for the existence you accept without question. Everything that exists is part of God, period. God's "life processes" establish what you call the "natural laws." You have no mechanism to dispute it other than consensus (ad populum) and scientific limitations. Evolution requires life to operate and there is no mechanism to turn dead and lifeless "processes" into motivated life.
You are so invested in the God of ignorant religious dogma you are incapable of freeing your mind from their incompatible descriptions and absurdities. You are an anti-religionist more than an atheist. That seems to be true of this forum and its rulers as well or my panentheist God would not be discriminated against. That is your Achille's heel. you have no mechanism to turn dead lifeless "processes" into motivated life, period. The motivation is the sticky wicket and it only gets stickier when the motivation is at our level of consciousness. Your view is myopic and dismissive of the most essential aspects of existence. Existence is Life and a living existence with consciousness is the epitome of God. Creator Schmeator! That is the problem, we are stuck with what "Just IS." Neither of us have a way to get away from it. You prefer a dead lifeless set of "processes" as the essence of your existence. I found out that was extremely misguided. We may never know God's level of direct or indirect involvement in our lives. My encounter assures me that God is aware of us and loves us, but the expectations of God's OmniMax direct involvement as found in the religions is moot, at best, IMO.
You never have comprehended the difference between my view of God and the mandated God of "religions" the forum recognizes and enforces. There is no endless Creator issue because God IS existence. God IS Life (inexplicable life is your primary deficiency). We do not need an explanation for it any more than we do for the existence you accept without question. Everything that exists is part of God, period. God's "life processes" establish what you call the "natural laws." You have no mechanism to dispute it other than consensus (ad populum) and scientific limitations. Evolution requires life to operate and there is no mechanism to turn dead and lifeless "processes" into motivated life.
You are so invested in the God of ignorant religious dogma you are incapable of freeing your mind from their incompatible descriptions and absurdities. You are an anti-religionist more than an atheist. That seems to be true of this forum and its rulers as well or my panentheist God would not be discriminated against. That is your Achille's heel. you have no mechanism to turn dead lifeless "processes" into motivated life, period. The motivation is the sticky wicket and it only gets stickier when the motivation is at our level of consciousness. Your view is myopic and dismissive of the most essential aspects of existence. Existence is Life and a living existence with consciousness is the epitome of God. Creator Schmeator! That is the problem, we are stuck with what "Just IS." Neither of us have a way to get away from it. You prefer a dead lifeless set of "processes" as the essence of your existence. I found out that was extremely misguided. We may never know God's level of direct or indirect involvement in our lives. My encounter assures me that God is aware of us and loves us, but the expectations of God's OmniMax direct involvement as found in the religions is moot, at best, IMO.
I can see that.
Our Founding Fathers were some devout men. They held different beliefs and they go along with each other. They did not want our Constitution to be worded in a context that only allowed for one specific religion, because that could lead to yet another Theocracy.
The complaints we have seen in this thread about it being 'vague' was done on purpose.
It was not written to cater to any one specific version of god, but recognizing that they all held personal beliefs of god.
This is one reason why I find FreeMasonry so fascinating. Each member must state belief in deity, yet nobody cares which religion you choose. It welcomes the Muslim as much as it welcomes the Jew or Christian.
It's ironic that you're telling another poster that he is "so invested in the G-d of ignorant religious dogma" when you do the exact same thing. You have frequently posted it on this and the Christianity forums. If G-d IS Life and we do not need any explanation for it any more then we do for the existence we accept without question, then it also follows that we do not need a name or a separate role for G-d. Yet you have repeatedly stated that "Jesus" is the Way, the Truth, and the Life, and only by accepting and becoming like him can we get to heaven.
The descriptions of the mind of Jesus as found in the Bible MATCH the consciousness of God I encountered. That is the only reason I adopted Christianity and sought to make sense of its frequently barbaric and irrational interpretations of Christ. The many other descriptions of God in the Bible and other Holy books are inconsistent and do NOT match, IMO.
It seems right to me. Growing up in India, all my siblings and me, and all my friends, attending catholic schools all our lives, did not think of the nuns (all Irish) who ran the school and also taught, as anything other than Christian. The various denominations were lost on us, we had no idea there were varieties of Christians. They all pray to Jesus and go to Church.
In 2016 I worked for a company owned by Chasidic Jews in Brooklyn, NY. They had no idea until I told them that not all Christians are Catholic. The conversation came up when I learned that one of our coworkers was a Mar Thoma Christian from Kerala. I knew they existed, but I had never met one.
In 2016 I worked for a company owned by Chasidic Jews in Brooklyn, NY. They had no idea until I told them that not all Christians are Catholic. The conversation came up when I learned that one of our coworkers was a Mar Thoma Christian from Kerala. I knew they existed, but I had never met one.
There’s a Mar Thoma Church near me in a converted light industrial building, which is pretty neat. Many adherents have biblical names—both first and last—and (bringing things back in the direction of your Hasidic friends) they sometimes even sound Jewish. A coworker who started at my current employer the same day as me has one of those names (think along the lines of “Abraham Nathan”). And imagine my surprise when I saw he wasn’t an elderly Ashkenazi Jew but a young Indian Christian!
In 2016 I worked for a company owned by Chasidic Jews in Brooklyn, NY. They had no idea until I told them that not all Christians are Catholic. The conversation came up when I learned that one of our coworkers was a Mar Thoma Christian from Kerala. I knew they existed, but I had never met one.
There are also Syrian Christians in Kerala. I dont know how these groups break out into the Christian denominations. My guess is most of them are Catholics.
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