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Since Christianity is not 0.00001 of world belief - it's a much larger percentage - that's not "using the same type of logic". I'm a bit surprised that you rambled that off so quickly without quality control checks.
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No, it seems as if you think numbers make something right or wrong.
If 99.99% of the creatures on earth (leaving out plants and such) take the male-female approach, then the same gender approach goes against nature and the norm. You can completely leave God out of the discussion.
There is all kinds of evidence for homosexual behavior in the animal world. Bonobos (who are our closest relatives) are notorious for swinging both ways.
If 99.99% of the creatures on earth (leaving out plants and such) take the male-female approach, then the same gender approach goes against nature and the norm. You can completely leave God out of the discussion.
It is ridiculous to think that just because animals and human have some biological commonality, which is true with all species in nature, we are the same or to think what is true for animals is true for humans. There is very little that is common in behaviours.
While our anatomy are designed differently it does not mean sexual attraction cannot vary. The fact that so many do have same sex attraction underlines the fact that it is an aspect of being human and as natural as any other kind of attraction - to color of skin, body shape, age, any number of things that attracts sexualy. We do nothing else like how animals behave, we don't lick food off the floor. Why should sex among animals be an example?
If 99.99% of the creatures on earth (leaving out plants and such) take the male-female approach, then the same gender approach goes against nature and the norm. You can completely leave God out of the discussion.
By that logic, rare diseases "go against nature and the norm." Congenital deformities go against nature and the norm. Being born deaf or blind goes against nature and the norm. But what does this characterization add to the analysis? Yes, being born with an attraction to the same sex, or gender dysphoria, makes one different from the majority - I don't think the OP would disagree with that. The issue is, what's the significance? To someone who doesn't have a biblical perspective, there is no significance beyond "How do I integrate this orientation into my life?" To someone who does have a biblical perspective, the issue becomes "How do I integrate this into my Christian life?" - which may be a different question requiring a different set of answers. As I said, I don't see any significance beyond what all the rest of us have to deal with as we attempt to integrate the particular hand we've been dealt into our lives, be they religious lives or non-religious lives.
By that logic, rare diseases "go against nature and the norm." Congenital deformities go against nature and the norm. Being born deaf or blind goes against nature and the norm. But what does this characterization add to the analysis? Yes, being born with an attraction to the same sex, or gender dysphoria, makes one different from the majority - I don't think the OP would disagree with that. The issue is, what's the significance? To someone who doesn't have a biblical perspective, there is no significance beyond "How do I integrate this orientation into my life?" To someone who does have a biblical perspective, the issue becomes "How do I integrate this into my Christian life?" - which may be a different question requiring a different set of answers. As I said, I don't see any significance beyond what all the rest of us have to deal with as we attempt to integrate the particular hand we've been dealt into our lives, be they religious lives or non-religious lives.
Well stated. In other religious lives sexual activity, same sex or otherwise, is considered with the same lense as any other activity - moderation, do no harm, and being in control of one's desire and need in all aspects of life. Also while biologically men and women have different functions, where it matters, the Divinity within, that has no gender.
If 99.99% of the creatures on earth (leaving out plants and such) take the male-female approach, then the same gender approach goes against nature and the norm. You can completely leave God out of the discussion.
Same sex attraction among humans is more than just sex; it's emotional also. To reduce it to just procreation is to diminish the human experience. As for against the norm, one way to look at it is from the Chabad (Jewish) viewpoint. "To be attracted to the same sex is a natural feeling. If it weren’t natural, Torah wouldn’t talk about it. Indeed, most practitioners in the field will tell you that all of us experience that attraction to some degree, at some point in life. And some much more than others." https://www.chabad.org/library/artic...-Community.htm
We know that religions especially abrahamic religions, make value judgements about same sex attraction. In some religions, it is described as abhorrent, a sin, an abomination etc. So someone who is raised in a certain religious tradition will have an opinion about same sex attraction usually negative if he/she is a true believer. To many secular people, it's typically not a big deal. Me personally, I'm secure in myself, and in God's love for me. I don't believe it's a sin. I just wanted to post my thread to offer my thoughts and perspectives from an insiders POV. And perhaps talk with people who have experienced this too.
Interesting topic...
I wanna ask you a question, nng.
Is there a difference FOR YOU between physical attraction and sexual attraction?
If 99.99% of the creatures on earth (leaving out plants and such) take the male-female approach, then the same gender approach goes against nature and the norm. You can completely leave God out of the discussion.
I'm pretty sure 99.99% of creatures don't use corrective lenses. Or forks. Or ice cubes. Yet I'm going to go out on a limb and surmise that you don't have an issue with any of these things that, by your logic, 'go against nature and the norm'.
This tells me that you really haven't thought through the implications of your rather flimsy rationalization.
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