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My inner voice was silenced and vilified by my religious upbringing so I had to rediscover it. It's a lot closer to remembering than understanding in my case. If someone hadn't had that done to them they probably wouldn't know what I mean because it was always there for them.
Through all of the physical and mental torture I endured in my life, it made my heart more tender and did not give me a heart of stone. And I can relate to Joseph in agreement with that.
When I speak together in harmony with the voice and share that, it is humble in nature. People can speak over it and call that gain if that is their prerogative.
Jezebel raised her voice against Elijah with a death threat and he ran. Then God spoke to Elijah in a whisper, after demonstrations of power that God was not in. Showing Elijah what to heed.
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Through all of the physical and mental torture I endured in my life, it made my heart more tender and did not give me a heart of stone. And I can relate to Joseph in agreement with that.
When I speak together in harmony with the voice and share that, it is humble in nature. People can speak over it and call that gain if that is their prerogative.
Jezebel raised her voice against Elijah with a death threat and he ran. Then God spoke to Elijah in a whisper, after demonstrations of power that God was not in. Showing Elijah what to heed.
People who have had to overcome seem more empathetic to me. I'm not surprised it had the opposite effect as hardening your heart.
I know the difference, and I meant conscience.
Perhaps I need further clarification as to your point...
there is no "sub conscience."
there is a "subconscious."
your post #37 talks about conscience and sub conscience. So it is not clear what the post is trying to convey.
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It isn't always so clear to me what is our conscience vs our sub-conscience, but I agree the effort to have a "well formed conscience" is what I might otherwise just call making good choices (as good old mom used to recommend). I'm not sure how one might discern between self-thoughts and "private revelation from God." I certainly don't have that challenge as an atheist, but I know I've had experiences and thoughts born from those experiences that I would like to believe have helped me develop a "well formed conscience." A better formed conscience in any case. Indeed, always a work-in-progress...
there is no "sub conscience."
there is a "subconscious."
your post #37 talks about conscience and sub conscience. So it is not clear what the post is trying to convey.
Good catch. I stand corrected and to clarify, I was referring to what is our conscience, not conscious. What do we call that "other voice?"
"Also referred to as “internal dialogue,” “the voice inside your head,” or an “inner voice,” your internal monologue is the result of certain brain mechanisms that cause you to “hear” yourself talk in your head without actually speaking and forming sounds."
Works for me, although my point is that many people will think and/or believe that "internal dialogue" is at least in part a result of external input. Specifically something like "the voice of God." Again there is no good evidence or proof to justify such a belief, though we all should realize how easy it is to believe such a thing is "unmistakeable." I think all too often it is very much mistakable, as I for one have made that mistake in my past more than a few times.
The other voices are the demonic spirit which pollute the body and mind of man and animals and abide in the flesh through the spirit compatible with man, but you cannot see them, but they are there .............. See God said ``unless you are born again you will not see or even experience the kingdom of Heaven `` ... so unless you repent of sin and turn to Jesus Christ then the voices would be what is left in the earth and that is demonic entities...... Islam calls them genies or jinni, which are not ghost ....... See, these spirits are a menace and are indirectly or directly responsible in killing most life on the earth because they hate the creator God .... One way of resisting them is the free will of man is best to do good as these spirit want people to do bad ....... The other way is to convert to Jesus which would be 75 percent victory on resisting these spirits in the earth, but 100 percent victory eternally, as demons cannot kill the soul of people Jesus has ...............
Good catch. I stand corrected and to clarify, I was referring to what is our conscience, not conscious. What do we call that "other voice?" "Also referred to as “internal dialogue,” “the voice inside your head,” or an “inner voice,” your internal monologue is the result of certain brain mechanisms that cause you to “hear” yourself talk in your head without actually speaking and forming sounds." Works for me, although my point is that many people will think and/or believe that "internal dialogue" is at least in part a result of external input. Specifically something like "the voice of God." Again there is no good evidence or proof to justify such a belief, though we all should realize how easy it is to believe such a thing is "unmistakeable." I think all too often it is very much mistakable, as I for one have made that mistake in my past more than a few times.
there is a difference between "intuition" and "analytical thinking"
they are not the same.
the still small voice of intuition, is vastly different from the chattering incessant stream of racing thoughts and mental noise generated by the mind
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I got to wondering about the other voice we all hear in our heads. The one that sometimes brings thoughts we don't expect or sometimes wish we hadn't thought at all. The other voice we reason with. Think with. The other voice it seems we often can't really control. I hope I'm not the only one, because that might make people think I'm crazy, but I know better. I've read enough about the "internal dialogue" all us humans engage in daily, and of course we all know what I'm referring to here...
Just recently, however, I got to thinking how easy it is to perhaps confuse this experience as one having to do with a connection with god. How easy it would be for some people to confuse that "communication" as coming from somewhere outside our minds. From God for example. I often get the sense that people who believe they are experiencing communication with God, or praying to God with a sense of being heard, are actually just mistaking that same "internal dialogue" we all experience as not internal.
Accordingly, it seems quite possible we are all experiencing the same thing but just interpreting that "dialogue" in different ways. Namely as external rather than just internal, and not all of the dialogue of course. For theists just the "dialogue" intended to be for or with God. I know my experiences along these lines have been quite varied, as I'm sure has been the case with just about everyone else.
Who, what is that "other voice?"
What do you think?
Devil’s whispers may be?
In my view, God in general, does not talk to you directly by creating these “voices in your head”. God doesn’t need to do that. Devil does that.
The way God communicates with humans is thru holy text revealed to his true prophets - you then read thru the holy text of various religions to do your own research to see which one talks to your heart.
God provides a guidance on how to live your life and sets boundaries for you - it’s then it’s up to you as to how honestly have you tried?
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In this good and evil world, the discernment of voices is important. What spirit is behind the words. Because words are the going forth of spirit.
Even many dogs will only respond to the voice of their caretaker. And the creepy guy in the van offering candy to children is not looking out for their best interest.
Over time you know the voices and what the produce is. You can sit in another room and listen to your friends talking and you know who is saying what without seeing them.
And I also know that someone can repeat something you said word for word and change the whole meaning of it through voice inflection. The trickery is immense, as it messes with both sound and content, just as the hawk makes a distressed sound while looking for food. Sound manipulation.
Many liars use the stroking of ego to gain entrance but remaining humble sees through that.
Knowing the heart, the sound and content becomes clear. To know whether it is trustworthy or not and where it leads.
I got to wondering about the other voice we all hear in our heads. The one that sometimes brings thoughts we don't expect or sometimes wish we hadn't thought at all. The other voice we reason with. Think with. The other voice it seems we often can't really control. I hope I'm not the only one, because that might make people think I'm crazy, but I know better. I've read enough about the "internal dialogue" all us humans engage in daily, and of course we all know what I'm referring to here...
Just recently, however, I got to thinking how easy it is to perhaps confuse this experience as one having to do with a connection with god. How easy it would be for some people to confuse that "communication" as coming from somewhere outside our minds. From God for example. I often get the sense that people who believe they are experiencing communication with God, or praying to God with a sense of being heard, are actually just mistaking that same "internal dialogue" we all experience as not internal.
Accordingly, it seems quite possible we are all experiencing the same thing but just interpreting that "dialogue" in different ways. Namely as external rather than just internal, and not all of the dialogue of course. For theists just the "dialogue" intended to be for or with God. I know my experiences along these lines have been quite varied, as I'm sure has been the case with just about everyone else.
Who, what is that "other voice?"
What do you think?
You mean the subconscious voice in a person's head that Christians always mistake for God talking to them?
In this good and evil world, the discernment of voices is important. What spirit is behind the words. Because words are the going forth of spirit.
Even many dogs will only respond to the voice of their caretaker. And the creepy guy in the van offering candy to children is not looking out for their best interest.
Over time you know the voices and what the produce is. You can sit in another room and listen to your friends talking and you know who is saying what without seeing them.
And I also know that someone can repeat something you said word for word and change the whole meaning of it through voice inflection. The trickery is immense, as it messes with both sound and content, just as the hawk makes a distressed sound while looking for food. Sound manipulation.
Many liars use the stroking of ego to gain entrance but remaining humble sees through that.
Knowing the heart, the sound and content becomes clear. To know whether it is trustworthy or not and where it leads.
Great post Chief. The Vedas assert divinity itself resides in the meaning that arise from words. If we ignore the spirit in the meaning we lose.
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