Would you label me as an atheist? (faith, God, Christians)
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You'd be considered an "agnostic". A true atheist believes there is no God. An agnostic simply doesn't know.
Incidentally, Romans 1 says there is no such thing as a true atheist. People know by looking at nature, at the universe that something created it.
Complete nonsense. Looking at nature does not suggest a creator. This is nonsense theist attempt to create doubt. The fact is that we don't know and are looking for verifiable answers, which is the intellectually honest thing to do and not just insert a god.
OP, you're an agnostic concerning an unknown possible god, yet atheist to claimed gods.
I believe there is something greater than human life but accept that humans will never know.
If you personify this "something greater" and ascribe agency to it then you are nominally a believer in at least one deity, which means you're not an atheist.
You'd be considered an "agnostic". A true atheist believes there is no God. An agnostic simply doesn't know.
To be more precise, an atheist doesn't afford belief to even one deity ... and doesn't assume that the question is limited to whether there is or is not "a" specific god.
Atheism is about seeing no justifiable reason to believe in a thing, so it's about belief, not knowledge.
Most atheists ARE agnostics.
Most theists ARE gnostics.
But there are a few gnostic atheists, and a few agnostic theists. I think the OP is an agnostic theist, which you misidentify as the definition of an agnostic.
If you still suspect that God exists you are not an atheist by definition.
Not exactly.
I think there's some teensy possibility that some god exists somewhere or somewhen, I just don't think it at all likely or relevant and see no evidence for it.
I will say that if one's judgment of the "odds of gods" are anywhere out of the single digits, then they are probably not atheist in the sense that most of us are. But strictly speaking, the key question is whether the OP actually believes in at least one god, not whether he is conflicted about it conceptually.
If you personify this "something greater" and ascribe agency to it then you are nominally a believer in at least one deity, which means you're not an atheist.
I would say you're an agnostic theist.
I'd use the term 'irreligious theist' rather than agnostics, because we are all really agnostics - we don't Know, but theism or not relates to what we believe.
This simple distinction is one of the most widespread global misunderstandings that I know of. Even atheists don't get it, half the time.
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To be more precise, an atheist doesn't afford belief to even one deity ... and doesn't assume that the question is limited to whether there is or is not "a" specific god.
Atheism is about seeing no justifiable reason to believe in a thing, so it's about belief, not knowledge.
Most atheists ARE agnostics.
Most theists ARE gnostics.
But there are a few gnostic atheists, and a few agnostic theists. I think the OP is an agnostic theist, which you misidentify as the definition of an agnostic.
To be more precise, an atheist doesn't afford belief to even one deity ... and doesn't assume that the question is limited to whether there is or is not "a" specific god.
Atheism is about seeing no justifiable reason to believe in a thing, so it's about belief, not knowledge.
Most atheists ARE agnostics.
Most theists ARE gnostics.
But there are a few gnostic atheists, and a few agnostic theists. I think the OP is an agnostic theist, which you misidentify as the definition of an agnostic.
Quite. Even an atheists will accept the possibility of a god of some sort, but see no persuasive evidence for it, so not believing there is one is the logical conclusions.
Particular gods and holy books and their religions (though technically one can never claim the "100%" certainty) is what we reject and say 'Does not exist' and that is normally the one we are talking about.
So are the theists, most often (if not they tend to call themselves "Agnostics") and the "All the same God" is a play that we saw of the "it all means submission to Allah" discussion that is going on.
It is an apologetic ploy to claim that your god and religion are the right ones, and you skip over the differences in religion by saying it is the same god, and even if the implication is that the others are worshipping the same God, that is really an apologetics trick. As we saw with the Khalif fruit- analogy, they are nit the same religion and it not regarded as worshipping the same God, even if the claim is that it is the only true one.
It is a crafty cover -up of saying "my god is the only true one and all the other religions and their personal gods are false and wrong.
There are those who argue "many paths to god". That are quite different. They are much more the "Agnostic" or Irreligious theist type, and I can accept their position much more than the "All the same God" religious theist.
I might say that the difference is that one has a faith more related to their Holy Book (even if they have to re-write it) and the other has a faith more in their feelings. I may not agree with with their interpretation of their feelings, but I certainly won't say 'Does not exist".
Please stop making up or using false definitions. This is one of the reasons, I suppise, there is a thread on how we can all get along. So you got to definitions out of two wrong however there is no prize for doing that. On another thread you made statements on who were and we're not Christians. And to those that posted on the Oreen thread, this is one of the reasons atheist post on this forum, to correct the falsehoods about atheists that some believers spread.
And the poor tortured atheists *never* spread falsehoods about believers because those atheist are such good, true, honest little souls....
bylpph
And the poor tortured atheists *never* spread falsehoods about believers because those atheist are such good, true, honest little souls....
bylpph
Well perhaps the believers can correct atheists then when we give a falsehood? Would you like it better if we just kept quiet and believers could say anything they want about atheists with never being challenged or corrected? If you go back and read my statement I said one of the reasons that atheists are on forums like this is to correct falsehoods about atheists made by believers. I at no time claimed we were better and believers are terrible people. BaptistFundie did give wrong information and , if I read correctly, he has altered his definitions after being corrected by mordant. If you were offended by my post, tough as there was nothing offensive about it. Kaspur corrects others in their thoughts about Mormons and a couple of Muslims correct people about what they think about Islam and you and your fellow Christians can correct false thoughts non Christians have about Christianity. That way we all learn about the falsehoods we hold about other belief or non belief groups.
Unless of course one does not wish to know about other groups and would rather simply attack them because they are the other.
And the poor tortured atheists *never* spread falsehoods about believers because those atheist are such good, true, honest little souls....
bylpph
We don't claim to be perfect, but our entire rationale is geared towards seeing things as they are, while the Theist's mental mindset is geared towards manipulating things as they are to fit what they believe, so...yes, aside from your well -poisoning delivery that essentially hits the nail on the head.
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that essentially hits the nail on the head.
