When did you start or stop believing in dogma? (salvation, atheism, worship)

[Tzaphkiel]

Originally Posted by Jumbo10

I answered my question (because you asked) and others have answered the question. I just find it interesting, was wondering more about people's backgrounds and am comfortable with my beliefs. If no one else feels like answering that is completely fine and I'd rather have it stop here than have people get defensive, derail the thread and try to get under each other's skin.

you are aware that the word "dogma" as you use it in this thread topic is perjorative, aren't you?
that it has a very different feeling tone than "beliefs" or "opinions" or "spiritual path" or "religion" or "background" or "family of origin" or "dominant cultural beliefs" or "world view" or "paradigm" or "views" or "spiritual nourishment" or "inspiration" or "faith" or "spirituality" or "tenets" or "guiding principles"

[badlander]

Originally Posted by Tzaphkiel

do you not understand that any topic raised in the religion and spirituality forum certainly applies to atheists as well? For instance the dogma of atheists often embraces a stance of intellectual superiority and is outpictured and demonstrated by the use of perjorative terms. example: "dogma"

Your opinion only and thanks for not bothering to answer the other question. Guess the Christian dogma is to label non believers as god haters. These are not examples of dogma. The air of superiority often comes out of your own posts.

Again what is an example of dogma from atheist.

[TroutDude]

I stopped when I was about 12.

[deankendrick]

That's what I think. dogma is faith. We can have faith on anything. Like, I have faith good things happens to honest people. Religion is having dogma of one God. When my plans broke down and I was down, later on when a better thing happened than I planned, I realized there is a systematic way and I'm not just running in the dark.

[Tzaphkiel]

Originally Posted by badlander

Your opinion only and thanks for not bothering to answer the other question. Guess the Christian dogma is to label non believers as god haters. These are not examples of dogma. The air of superiority often comes out of your own posts.

Again what is an example of dogma from atheist.

sure thing.
dogma "a principle or set of principles laid down as incontrovertibly true"
"something held as an established opinion, a definite authoritative tenet"
"a point of view or tenet put forth as authoritative without adequate grounds"

samples from right here on CD, all direct quotes:

I get a charge out of seeing people arguing over the proper interpretation of complete nonsense.
The campaign for irreligion may be the most important thing going on in the USA at the moment.
I look in and see them fencing with Biblequotes and i think "what a way to spend a life"
prayer doesn't work
what it says is insupportable superstitious nonsense.
it boggles my mind how such a large percentage of the population goes to church to worship a God that doesn't exist
God doesn't exist and shows absolutely no signs of existing. Its just so primitive.
once humans became smart enough to build things, have reasoning skills, write, speak, create civilizations, we would have reached the level of intelligence to realize there is no God
we can decide whether we want to know or whether we want to just believe.
believers have no valid basis for their "Knowledge" other than feelings and experiences which they only think they understand
whereas atheists have knowledge which we know is entirely justified.
I'd want to be the 1st in line to tell him what a sick evil ahole he is for allowing so much violence, torment, disease, and turmoil
atheists use their cognitive processes more effectively
there is no logical reason to postulate a god
God is a concept for people who can't accept reality, or who need to feel important, or aren't smart enough to question
comforting lies.
clueless people
failed to be substantiated... shown to be the result of human illusion, delusion and misperception.
amputees prayed to get missing limbs back and haven't got them
Ask your god to eliminate all forms of cancer by mid-day tomorrow. We'll wait.
special snowflake!
Religion is a Form of Insanity
it is not grounded in reality, and being separated from reality is PSYCHOTIC BY DEFINITION, and leads to psychotic behavior
"delusion" is "a belief strongly held despite invalidating evidence." I'd say most religion falls into that category.
religion provides a haven for those who have difficulty accepting reality and prefer living in a make-believe world

[hljc]

To here dogma is unquestionable truth and never debatable ....As to here when I discovered that Jesus was real and I could know Him and His truth , is when believing in Jesus authored dogmas was the most practicable thing to do , before that I never had a witness of Jesus Christ so dogma was never understood ..

[Arach Angle]

Originally Posted by Tzaphkiel

sure thing.
dogma "a principle or set of principles laid down as incontrovertibly true"
"something held as an established opinion, a definite authoritative tenet"
"a point of view or tenet put forth as authoritative without adequate grounds"

samples from right here on CD, all direct quotes:

I get a charge out of seeing people arguing over the proper interpretation of complete nonsense.
The campaign for irreligion may be the most important thing going on in the USA at the moment.
I look in and see them fencing with Biblequotes and i think "what a way to spend a life"
prayer doesn't work
what it says is insupportable superstitious nonsense.
it boggles my mind how such a large percentage of the population goes to church to worship a God that doesn't exist
God doesn't exist and shows absolutely no signs of existing. Its just so primitive.
once humans became smart enough to build things, have reasoning skills, write, speak, create civilizations, we would have reached the level of intelligence to realize there is no God
we can decide whether we want to know or whether we want to just believe.
believers have no valid basis for their "Knowledge" other than feelings and experiences which they only think they understand
whereas atheists have knowledge which we know is entirely justified.
I'd want to be the 1st in line to tell him what a sick evil ahole he is for allowing so much violence, torment, disease, and turmoil
atheists use their cognitive processes more effectively
there is no logical reason to postulate a god
God is a concept for people who can't accept reality, or who need to feel important, or aren't smart enough to question
comforting lies.
clueless people
failed to be substantiated... shown to be the result of human illusion, delusion and misperception.
amputees prayed to get missing limbs back and haven't got them
Ask your god to eliminate all forms of cancer by mid-day tomorrow. We'll wait.
special snowflake!
Religion is a Form of Insanity
it is not grounded in reality, and being separated from reality is PSYCHOTIC BY DEFINITION, and leads to psychotic behavior
"delusion" is "a belief strongly held despite invalidating evidence." I'd say most religion falls into that category.
religion provides a haven for those who have difficulty accepting reality and prefer living in a make-believe world

I do try and clean up our side of the street traz. I ask that you guys do too.

"god said so" is never a good reason, for anything. Stating why you are doing something without those words, "God said so", is more reasonable.

[Jumbo10]

Originally Posted by Tzaphkiel

you are aware that the word "dogma" as you use it in this thread topic is perjorative, aren't you?
that it has a very different feeling tone than "beliefs" or "opinions" or "spiritual path" or "religion" or "background" or "family of origin" or "dominant cultural beliefs" or "world view" or "paradigm" or "views" or "spiritual nourishment" or "inspiration" or "faith" or "spirituality" or "tenets" or "guiding principles"

I didn't realize and didn't think some people would find it so offensive. Truth with a capital T is mentioned on here so I think goes beyond beliefs so I thought the OP was appropriate. But I'm sorry if I offended you. I know plenty of people have ignorance and prejudice on here with my religion so I guess we need thick skin to be on here . However, I'm probably less likely to read your posts in the future because a lot of your posts seem intentionally trying to offend and stir things up, where as others are more civil and trying to explain and teach.

[TRANSPONDER]

Originally Posted by Tzaphkiel

if talking about dogma is "non controversial" then certainly including the dogma of atheists is "non controversial" as well. Yet it seems to bother you. Does the mere mention of atheists bother you so much? Does applying the topic of this discussion thread to atheists bother you so much?

As I suspected, the "Dogma" accusation is based on a musunderstanding and indeed misrepresentation for polemic reasons of the actual methods and rationale of atheism.

Non belief is a conclusion - not a dogma.

[Tzaphkiel]

Originally Posted by TRANSPONDER

As I suspected, the "Dogma" accusation is based on a musunderstanding and indeed misrepresentation for polemic reasons of the actual methods and rationale of atheism.
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The dogma of atheism is based on a misunderstanding and indeed misrepresentation of the actual methods and function and rationale of the beliefs in a person's life. Many atheists on these boards post purely for polemic reasons. See list of examples given in post #19 which are direct quotes from CD

po·lem·ic
noun
a strong verbal or written attack on someone or something.