Souls are currently in heaven or hell...confused... (salvation, prophets, after life)
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Don't understand how souls can be in heaven or hell currently. I thought according to the Bible that Judgement Day is in the future and that it is THEN that souls will be judged to go to heaven or hell. I'm atheist by the way so I am just inquiring as to this belief to clarify what Bible believers think.
First of all, the Bible's hell is simply mankind's temporary stone-cold grave for the sleeping dead.- Rev. 1:18
Jesus, and the old Hebrew Scriptures, teach unconscious sleep in death:
- John 11:11-14; Psalms 6:5; 13:3; 115:17; 146:4; Daniel 12:2,13; Ecclesiastes 9:5
Before the future physical resurrection during Jesus' coming millennium-long day of governing over Earth - Acts 24:15 -
there will be a figurative judgement day for the living people on Earth at the soon coming ' time of separation ' to take place on earth as mentioned at Matthew 25:31-33,37 when Jesus, as Shepherd, will separate people.
Those judged as righteous people can remain alive on Earth, and continue to live on Earth, right into the start of calendar Day One of Jesus' comong 1,000-year governmental rulership over Earth begins.
The wicked ones will be destroyed forever - Psalm 92:7; Isaiah 11:3-4; Rev; 19:14-16
Some people are resurrected to heaven because they are classed as saints or holy ones. See Daniel chapter 7; Rev.20:6.
The majority of mankind - John 3:13 - can have a happy-and-healthy future physical resurrection restored back to live life on Earth forever as originally offered to Adam before his downfall. They are the humble meek to inherit Earth - Matthew 5:5
The religious themselves can't agree.
As a Funeral Director, I was at a morning service & an afternoon service at the same Catholic church & cemetery. Both funerals were for elderly Italian immigrants.
At the morning funeral, presided over by an older Priest, he said that the rising incense smoke represented the rising of the dear departed's soul on judgement day (meaning that the soul lay in the coffin until then?!?)
At the afternoon service, that was presided over by a young Priest from the same church as his older colleague, he said that the smoke represented the souls journey up to Heaven to await judgement day.
Very different interpretations.
What really intrigued me, was that I recognised the faces of the mourners (who I presumed most belonged to the same church) at the later funeral from the morning. They heard both versions, yet nobody blinked an eye or reacted.
Had I been a mourner, rather than representing my employer, I'd definitely cornered the young Priest to ask for an explanation. How can two Priests, not only from the same religion but who worked together, have two completely different versions?
How ' two completely different versions ' is because of developed false clergy teachings - Acts 20:29-30
After the first century ended an apostasy set in.
The genuine ' wheat ' Christians ' would grow together with the fake ' weed/tares ' Christians until the Harvest Time.
The figurative Harvest Time, or the soon coming ' Time of Separation ' to take place on Earth - Matthew 25:31-33,37
Especially when unfaithful Jews began mixing with the Greeks then they adopted their false religious theories and philosophies and began to teach them as Scripture although Not really Scripture - Matthew 15:9
Jesus, and the old Hebrew Scriptures, teach unconscious sleep in death:
- Psalms 6:5; 13:3; 115:17; 146:4; Daniel 12:2,13; Ecclesiastes 9:5
Which means while the dead Jesus was in biblical hell he was in a sleep-like state - Acts 2:27; Psalm 16:10
If the Bible's hell was a permanent place Jesus would still be in hell instead of having keys to unlock hell - Rev. 1:18
The Bible's hell comes to a final end according to Revelation 20:13-14 because after everyone in biblical hell is ' delivered up ' (meaning resurrected out of hell) then emptied-out hell is cast vacant into a symbolic ' second death' for vacated hell.
From my understanding Satan and the fallen angels that had disagreement with God in Heaven where sent to Hell.
Any pain, torture and torment in Hell is by Satan and the demons in hell not by God.
Think of Hell as prison but no prison guards around and all anarchy.
God does not cause pain, torture and torment it is by Satan and the demons in hell on the souls in Hell.
If we pretended that this preposterous belief was true, how did Satan and the demons suddenly become the tormentors when this Hell of yours was specifically created to torment them?????
The Bible's hell comes to a final end according to Revelation 20:13-14 because after everyone in biblical hell is ' delivered up ' (meaning resurrected out of hell) then emptied-out hell is cast vacant into a symbolic ' second death' for vacated hell.
You mean at his point they are delivered up for judgement day and than go to heaven or the lake of fire real hell?
How ' two completely different versions ' is because of developed false clergy teachings - Acts 20:29-30
After the first century ended an apostasy set in.
The genuine ' wheat ' Christians ' would grow together with the fake ' weed/tares ' Christians until the Harvest Time.
The figurative Harvest Time, or the soon coming ' Time of Separation ' to take place on Earth - Matthew 25:31-33,37
Especially when unfaithful Jews began mixing with the Greeks then they adopted their false religious theories and philosophies and began to teach them as Scripture although Not really Scripture - Matthew 15:9
Jesus, and the old Hebrew Scriptures, teach unconscious sleep in death:
- Psalms 6:5; 13:3; 115:17; 146:4; Daniel 12:2,13; Ecclesiastes 9:5
Which means while the dead Jesus was in biblical hell he was in a sleep-like state - Acts 2:27; Psalm 16:10
If the Bible's hell was a permanent place Jesus would still be in hell instead of having keys to unlock hell - Rev. 1:18
The Bible's hell comes to a final end according to Revelation 20:13-14 because after everyone in biblical hell is ' delivered up ' (meaning resurrected out of hell) then emptied-out hell is cast vacant into a symbolic ' second death' for vacated hell.
Which shows that 'Gods word' can't agree with itself.
The Bible & Christian doctrine has little to do with the teachings of the Essene Rabbi known as 'Jesus'.
Johannite theology, as practiced by the Cathars, was much closer to the Rabbis teachings.
Knowing that their fictional doctrine could not compete, the church had the peaceful Cathars, men, women & children, tortured, raped & slaughtered in Gods name. They also destroyed all of their books.
Because the bible is all over the place. Yes tormented day and night for ever by who? Demons or Satan?
You die ( good person or bad person) that is first death a temporary hell a soul cleaning process. And if you not part of book of life you die a second death and go into the lake of fire.
It the the Priests trying to be to liberal to not say he is in hell. Most Churches and Priests are really liberal these days.
In the old days they would tell you what it is.
Revelation 19:20: "And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone."
Revelation 20:10 "And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever."Revelation 20:14-15 "Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire."
Revelation 21:8 "But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death."
Pope John Paul rightly said "There is no physical place called Hell; Hell is a state of mind." Interesting, no? It's one of the reasons why the Vatican insiders killed him in his sleep. Can't have the Pope of all people, speaking truth.
Revelation was the last addition to the NT. It was plagiarised from the Sibylline books (aka the Roman Bible) written by Herophile approx. 500BCE.
Although the church did it's best to destroy every copy they could lay their hands on in their numerous 'purges', several copies did survive.
The church loved burning books so much in fact, that it ordered the destruction of the Great Library of Alexandria.
It's a hard one, but many NDE's show that the vast majority of humanity is burning in Hell in the Lake of Fire, the cries and moans from the billions of damned souls are deafening.
This is disgusting, which is why I am seriously considering becoming a Universalist.
This is from my other post.
The NDE's descriptions are horrifying.
So many BILLIONS, just SCREAMING at the top of their lungs for mercy in the Lake of Fire.
The scariest part is that they know they are never going to get out of there, and that their loved ones don't know what is happening to them now- and they don't want their loved ones to come here and join them there.
Lucifer was known by many names; 'Morning Star', 'Bringer of Light', 'Revealer of Truth' & the 'Shining One'.
The 'Devil' & Lucifer are two entirely different characters.
The Devil is a fictional figure based loosely on the Pagan demi-god Pan.
The OT had no reference to the Devil until the KJV writers changed the word 'adversary' to 'Devil' in the 17th century.
The church seemed to have no clue what to make of Lucifer until eventually deciding that this Lucifer fella is in fact, the Devil.
Like most Christian doctrine, the church just made it up as they saw fit.
This is from my other post.
The NDE's descriptions are horrifying.
So many BILLIONS, just SCREAMING at the top of their lungs for mercy in the Lake of Fire.
The scariest part is that they know they are never going to get out of there, and that their loved ones don't know what is happening to them now- and they don't want their loved ones to come here and join them there.
Pope John Paul rightly said "There is no physical place called Hell; Hell is a state of mind." Interesting, no? It's one of the reasons why the Vatican insiders killed him in his sleep. Can't have the Pope of all people, speaking truth.
Revelation was the last addition to the NT. It was plagiarised from the Sibylline books (aka the Roman Bible) written by Herophile approx. 500BCE.
Although the church did it's best to destroy every copy they could lay their hands on in their numerous 'purges', several copies did survive.
The church loved burning books so much in fact, that it ordered the destruction of the Great Library of Alexandria.
Probably because there is not that much in bible on what is heaven like, what happens at death and what is hell like or most of any religion out there for that matter.
The old testament version of hell is tormented day and night for ever, well the soul is burning in pain and screaming in pain. Well the new testament is long deep sleep. The soul is not aware of time passing or it is sleeping.
Well Buddhism and Hinduism has no hell, all it say is evil and bad deeds one life is the next life is worse. So rich man that sins that love money your next life may be some poor kid in a African village.
Older Egypt religion version of hell is worse than Christians version of hell.
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