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You employ the wrong standard of truth, sanspeur. The absolute standard of God's truth is the Spirit of agape love who IS God. Anything not compatible with the Spirit of agape love is not God's truth.
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Originally Posted by jimmiej
Keep in mind, Mystic is in opposition to Jesus, in this regard.
Not true . . . Jesus not only taught it but He unambiguously demonstrated it during a horrendous scourging and crucifixion. He loved even His torturers and murderers because they knew not what they did. THAT is the Spirit of agape love who IS God.
No . . . according to Jesus who not only taught it but unambiguously demonstrated it during a horrendous scourging and crucifixion. He loved even His torturers and murderers because they knew not what they did. THAT is the Spirit of agape love who IS God.
This is your understanding of what Jesus taught, according to a book. Millions of others understand the book differently. Still others disregard it entirely.
It is all well and good for you to believe as you wish. However, this thread is about proof. Your belief is not proof.
Every religion is "100% true" in the eyes of it's followers. Every one has the same validity to that claim. It's like saying Ford makes the best truck, when your next door neighbor is a Chevy guy and insists that Chevy does. Only difference, there are actual measurable standards as to what makes one truck superior to another for certain specific needs. With religion...not so much. Sometimes it comes down to which advertising agency has the better hook.
The Bible is full of less than credible scenarios, especially those surrounding Jesus. I suspect he was a guy with a lot of charisma, hence he managed to gain some followers. Apart from that I think he was all human with faults and failings like the rest of humanity.
The Bible needs to be viewed through the eyes of Jesus, not the other way around.
Hmmm.....how does that work? In that the New Testament contains 100% of everything we supposedly know about Jesus, how can it be viewed through the eyes of Jesus? We are absent any comparative source which would establish a Jesus point of view outside of the NT, so what you are proposing is actually a futile process.
Hmmm.....how does that work? In that the New Testament contains 100% of everything we supposedly know about Jesus, how can it be viewed through the eyes of Jesus? We are absent any comparative source which would establish a Jesus point of view outside of the NT, so what you are proposing is actually a futile process.
Nonsense. Jesus established an absolute and unambiguous standard by His teaching and actions . . . but most especially by His death. He established that God IS agape love and He demonstrated perfect agape love despite horrendous scourging and crucifixion. He loved even His torturers and murderers, That is the unambiguous Spirit against which all claims about God's truths are to be tested. Anything NOT compatible with the Spirit of agape love who IS God is NOT part of God's truth.
Nonsense. Jesus established an absolute and unambiguous standard by His teaching and actions . . . but most especially by His death. He established that God IS agape love and He demonstrated perfect agape love despite horrendous scourging and crucifixion. He loved even His torturers and murderers, That is the unambiguous Spirit against which all claims about God's truths are to be tested. Anything NOT compatible with the Spirit of agape love who IS God is NOT part of God's truth.
You have some source for this outside of the New Testament? Did you not understand my point? None of the above addresses it.
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