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Old 12-31-2012, 02:33 PM
 
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I wouldn't be bothered eating at a restaurant that had a Hindu or Buddhist idol. It doesn't mean I'm paying respect to that god or anything. I would avoid a place if it displayed occultic or satanic symbols like an upside down cross.




The origin of this symbol comes from the Catholic tradition that Simon Peter was crucified upside down, as told by Origen of Alexandria. The tradition first appears in the "Martyrdom of Peter", a fragmented text found in, but possibly predating, the apocryphal Acts of Peter, which was written no later than 200 A.D. It is believed that Peter requested this form of crucifixion as he felt he was unworthy to be crucified in the same manner that Jesus died. As such, some Catholics use this cross as a symbol of humility and unworthiness in comparison to Jesus.
According to Roman Catholicism, the Pope is Peter's successor as Bishop of Rome. Therefore the Papacy is often represented by symbols that are also used to represent Peter — one example being the Keys of Heaven, another the Petrine Cross. During Pope John Paul II's visit to Israel, he sat on a chair with the Cross of Peter cut into the back.[1] The inverted cross is also one of the traditional symbols used by Petrine Orthodox Sebomenoi.[citation needed]


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St. Peter's Cross - St. Peter's Episcopal Church

The story of St. Peter's cross.
Peter is believed to have been crucified upside down at his own request, as he did not feel worthy to die the same way as Jesus. Therefore many Christian sects use this cross as a symbol of humility. He was an early missionary in Asia Minor and the Roman Empire and founded the Church of Rome with Paul. Emperor Nero saw this new church as a threat, and began a campaign to eradicate these troublemakers. Peter was imprisoned, tortured and finally crucified. Such was his faith, it is believed, that he remarkably succeeded in persuading his sadistic captors to change from the normal way of executing prisoners. His brother, Andrew, also was crucified, and he too requested that a cross different to Christ's Latin Cross be used. Therefore we have another cross form, the "X" shaped St. Andrew's Cross. St. Peter is also often remembered through the Celtic Cross.
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Old 12-31-2012, 02:39 PM
 
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Actually it is satanic.
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Old 12-31-2012, 02:45 PM
 
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Actually it is satanic.
what is satanic about the story about Peter asked to be crucified upside down?
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Old 12-31-2012, 03:19 PM
 
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what is satanic about the story about Peter asked to be crucified upside down?
I'd like to know too. I thought you gave a great presentation as to why it's not.
I've never associated Peter with anything Satanic, Paul maybe, but never Peter.
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Old 12-31-2012, 05:03 PM
 
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- How many of Jesus' disciples in Bible times wore a Cross? None.
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Old 12-31-2012, 05:33 PM
 
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It's somewhat interesting and amusing all at the same time how Satanist groups and teen-angst nerds managed to co-opt that symbol and gotten true believers to buy into it's "evilness". So easily manipulated...sigh. For people who claim that these things have no power, they sure seem to give them a lot of power. It's an upside-down "t" for crying out loud, nothing more. It's only satanic and spooky because they have been told it is and, therefore, believe it is. It's ridiculous.
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Old 12-31-2012, 06:05 PM
 
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There is no symbol in the world that has an inherently good or an inherently bad meaning. Different groups use the same symbols to mean entirely different thing. It is entirely possible that an upside-down cross may be satanic to groups who look at it in that way, but that certainly doesn't mean that it's satanic by its very nature or to everybody. The swastica is another symbol that people have come to associate with Nazi Germany. While it's obvious why, the same symbol was previously used extensively and never in the way most of us think of it today.
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Old 01-01-2013, 12:04 PM
 
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We get told all the time that things are just what we make them. If someone were to decide it's satanic....isn't it?
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Old 01-01-2013, 04:28 PM
 
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We get told all the time that things are just what we make them. If someone were to decide it's satanic....isn't it?
It certainly is to the person who decided it is. But what about to the people who don't think it is? Who gets to decide -- the people who say it is or the people who say it isn't?

Consider another symbol frequently considered to be satanic in this day and age -- the inverted pentagram. A look back into the history of how the inverted pentagram was used, though, turns up a number of instances in which it was used in the architecture and design of many early Christian churches, among them:

Kaarma, Estonia, Church of Sts. Peter and Paul - 1261 AD Picture
Amiens, France, cathedral, north transept window Picture
Chartres, France, niche surrounding Madonna and Child statue Picture
St. Mary's church, Adderbury, Oxfordshire Picture
St. Bartholomew church, Ucero, Spain Picture
Orthodox Church, Olyphant, Pennsylvania - 2009 AD Picture

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Old 01-01-2013, 04:31 PM
 
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There is no symbol in the world that has an inherently good or an inherently bad meaning. Different groups use the same symbols to mean entirely different thing.
Exactly.
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