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Old 05-01-2011, 07:46 AM
 
Location: Prattville, Alabama
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Gullibility is one of humanity's most indoctrinated and ingrained traits. Tell us what we should believe in and we will die convinced it is true. Show us, and we will hate all who disagree. We are all too quick to accept our indoctrinated and ingrained beliefs...without ever actually examining those beliefs. 90% of all the earth's population have exactly the same religion.....Whatever Mommy, Daddy & your culture tell you is true.
This fact alone causes the majority of our wars and societal problems. We are RIGHT. We are GOOD. We have the TRUE RELIGION. All the others are DISGUSTING FILTH or in league with satan. They must be converted, hated or killed. Either way they will spend the rest of a billion forevers in everlasting hell. WE have the REAL Scripture. THEIRS are phony, and evil lies.
That, my friends, is your heritage. Almost every person on the earth, in one form or another, holds this view. Simply because that's what their parents have taught them. That's how the System works, and sustains itself. The only thing that separates a Christian from a Budhist, Hindi, Muslim, etc...is GEOGRAPHY. Our indoctrinated and ingrained beliefs are a direct product of our geographical location and the beliefs of the people who raised us.

Why do the "Muslims" hate the "Christians"? For exactly the same reasons the "Christians" hate the "Muslims." Why do the Christians hate "Budhists, Hindis, New Agers, etc??? THEY are not US. And only the US (and those who side with US) are right and have the one and only truth.

The overwhelming majority of you, statistically, do not care to find things out for yourselves. The overwhelming majority of you, statistically, will NEVER EXAMINE YOUR BELIEFS NOR ANYONE ELSE'S BELIEFS...to see if what you've been indoctrinated with could possibly be untrue.

Put as simply as possible:
Just because a government tells you something does not make it true.
Just because a church tells you something does not make it true.
Just because a media outlet tells you something does not make it true.
Just because your parents tell you something does not make it true.
Just because I tell you something does not make it true.
Just because any XYZ tells you anything, does not make it true.

So...I am asking for some open discussion on exactly what makes Christianity any more the TRUE RELIGION than any other religion. I would also like to know the steps you've taken in studying other religions to rule them out as the TRUE RELIGION.

For the Christians, specifically, I'd like to know exactly what you think of Jesus teachings when he stated: "Love your neighbor, as yourself...Love your enemy, turn the other cheek, etc..." Apparently your neighbors only include those who believe as you do and it has been made plainly clear, by all the wars we are involved in, that you don't love your enemies...I don't believe this is what Jesus taught...so tell me why or how you came to the conclusion that Jesus didn't know what he was talking about...since Christians completely ignore these things.
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Old 05-01-2011, 08:21 AM
 
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And don't forget that all the different sects within the various religions tend to war among themselves as well (figuratively and sometimes literally), since they believe the other sects don't have the whole, unvarnished truth as they do.

Of course, the Us/Them mentality appears to be inherent to human nature, and religion is only one way of many that people divide themselves. Religion is a convenient vehicle for hate, but I venture to guess that even if religions were done away with, we'd find something else to fight about with just as much venom and destructive force.

There's one solution as far as I can see ... Love. And the Christian Bible has as good a description of what Love is as any I've seen so far in other religious texts: patient, kind, doesn't envy or boast, isn't arrogant or rude, doesn't insist on it's own way, isn't irritable or resentful, doesn't rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth, bears all tings, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

It just seems that if we focused on Love, which the Bible says God IS, then we could each trust that we would see God in the way we are meant to and that the "others" would as well, and we would stop insisting that everyone else must come to see it "our way". But I guess we don't trust the power of Love/God.
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Old 05-01-2011, 09:18 AM
 
Location: Prattville, Alabama
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And don't forget that all the different sects within the various religions tend to war among themselves as well (figuratively and sometimes literally), since they believe the other sects don't have the whole, unvarnished truth as they do.

Of course, the Us/Them mentality appears to be inherent to human nature, and religion is only one way of many that people divide themselves. Religion is a convenient vehicle for hate, but I venture to guess that even if religions were done away with, we'd find something else to fight about with just as much venom and destructive force.

There's one solution as far as I can see ... Love. And the Christian Bible has as good a description of what Love is as any I've seen so far in other religious texts: patient, kind, doesn't envy or boast, isn't arrogant or rude, doesn't insist on it's own way, isn't irritable or resentful, doesn't rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth, bears all tings, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

It just seems that if we focused on Love, which the Bible says God IS, then we could each trust that we would see God in the way we are meant to and that the "others" would as well, and we would stop insisting that everyone else must come to see it "our way". But I guess we don't trust the power of Love/God.
And that my friend is what it all boils down to....we don't love nor do we trust...not only each other but our Source. If we can't trust our Source to show us the proper way to live with each other in peace and harmony how could we possibly love that Source or each other.
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Old 05-01-2011, 09:56 AM
 
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Why do the "Muslims" hate the "Christians"? For exactly the same reasons the "Christians" hate the "Muslims." Why do the Christians hate "Budhists, Hindis, New Agers, etc??? THEY are not US. And only the US (and those who side with US) are right and have the one and only truth.
Christians hate Muslims? Christians hate Budhists? Christians hate Hindis? Christians hate new agers?

Why would you lump all Christians into one group and falsly accuse them all of hating everyone you can think of???

And who is "US". You already made clear you refuse to be identified as a Christian?

Would you like to open threads like this at the atheist forum?
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Old 05-01-2011, 10:05 AM
 
Location: Prattville, Alabama
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Christians hate Muslims? Christians hate Budhists? Christians hate Hindis? Christians hate new agers?

Why would you lump all Christians into one group and falsly accuse them all of hating everyone you can think of???

And who is "US". You already made clear you refuse to be identified as a Christian?

Would you like to open threads like this at the atheist forum?
Are you denying that Christians condemn anyone who doesn't believe exactly as they do to hell???????????? Are you actually denying this??????? You can't seriously be denying this?????????

Now, if you would please...let's discuss the questions I actually posed...I would love to hear your thoughts.
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Old 05-01-2011, 10:24 AM
 
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Jesus said in John 3: 16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. 19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.

If Jesus says it, I believe it. That's all we need to know and stand on. Anything contrary to what Jesus says is a lie and leads to destruction.
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Old 05-01-2011, 10:54 AM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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If Jesus says it, I believe it. That's all we need to know and stand on.
That statement confirms what the OP said.
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Old 05-01-2011, 11:03 AM
 
Location: Prattville, Alabama
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Jesus said in John 3: 16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. 19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.

If Jesus says it, I believe it. That's all we need to know and stand on. Anything contrary to what Jesus says is a lie and leads to destruction.
Jesus said waaaayyyyy more than that...did you somehow miss all the instructions on the way he said you were supposed to be living???????? What about that??????????
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Old 05-01-2011, 11:11 AM
 
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If Jesus says it, I believe it. That's all we need to know and stand on.
Have you sold your possessions and given the money to the poor? Obviously not.

If someone steals your car do you report it to the police and try to get it back? Probably.

If you caught someone stealing your TV would you give then your stereo system also? Doubtful.

So how do your actions square with what Jesus said?
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Old 05-01-2011, 11:15 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Are you denying that Christians condemn anyone who doesn't believe exactly as they do to hell???????????? Are you actually denying this??????? You can't seriously be denying this?????????

Now, if you would please...let's discuss the questions I actually posed...I would love to hear your thoughts.
It is funny how you switch from "Christians hate everyone" to saying they condemn others to hell. LOL. Christians do not judge anyone to hell, that is God's job.

This definetly belongs to the atheist forum, since it is clearly just another anti-Chriatian rant.
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