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Companies have already invested billions in NC and are having trouble finding enough workers to fill all the new positions. I don't expect these decisions to cost the state anything near the costs incurred as a result of the bathroom bills.
I think companies have learned their lesson about getting in the middle of divisive issues. We can add that to the list of things that are anti-democratic.
This is a bit hysterical. The Democrats held a death grip on the state through gerrymandering for 100 years. They never reformed redistricting. Republicans eventually broke their back and did the same thing. I doubt it will take another 100 years before Democrats take power back and do exactly the same thing again. Yes, gerrymandering is bad, but it's not illegal and every party does it when in the majority and opposes it in the minority.
Thats not true. Hell, the democrats had no need to gerrymander anything for decades and decades. And their lack of gerrymandering is exactly why the republicans were able to get control of the GA.
Thats not true. Hell, the democrats had no need to gerrymander anything for decades and decades. And their lack of gerrymandering is exactly why the republicans were able to get control of the GA.
The GOP won the GA in 2010 (after generations of Democrat control) despite Democrat gerrymandering, as the party began to shift even more and more to the left at the national level and even Democrat gerrymandered lines couldn't save the party. Consider this, in 2010--the last year where voters operated under Democrat gerrymandered lines--Democrats won a majority of US House seats in NC, despite losing the popular vote by hundreds of thousands of votes and nearly 10% points in what was a GOP wave election.
The GOP won the GA in 2010 (after generations of Democrat control) despite Democrat gerrymandering, as the party began to shift even more and more to the left at the national level and even Democrat gerrymandered lines couldn't save the party. Consider this, in 2010--the last year where voters operated under Democrat gerrymandered lines--Democrats won a majority of US House seats in NC, despite losing the popular vote by hundreds of thousands of votes and nearly 10% points in what was a GOP wave election.
You need to expand your time frame and actually study NC history. As far as democratic gerrymandering, if thats what they were doing then they sucked at it. In the 80's and 90's, NC often had 7 republicans out of 10 congressional seats. You have to go back to the 1950's to find a time when the repubs had less than 4 of the 10 seats. In the early 2000's NC had a majority republican delegation.
Its an absolute myth that whats going on now is any sort of payback for past sins. Thats just made up, like so much of what the gop says today.
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Thats not true. Hell, the democrats had no need to gerrymander anything for decades and decades. And their lack of gerrymandering is exactly why the republicans were able to get control of the GA.
Saying it doesn't make it so. No gerrymander here, lol. Don't believe your own eyes.
The current gerrymander:
This is the problem. One is an obvious gerrymander, the other looks perfectly reasonable. Both are gerrymandered, but the Dems are fighting an uphill battle here.
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You need to expand your time frame and actually study NC history. As far as democratic gerrymandering, if thats what they were doing then they sucked at it. In the 80's and 90's, NC often had 7 republicans out of 10 congressional seats. You have to go back to the 1950's to find a time when the repubs had less than 4 of the 10 seats. In the early 2000's NC had a majority republican delegation.
Its an absolute myth that whats going on now is any sort of payback for past sins. Thats just made up, like so much of what the gop says today.
You're just making stuff up. From 1980 until 2000, Democrats had huge majorities in congress from NC. But again, you're missing the point that with Democrats packed into cities, gerrymandering is a bigger lift for Democrats. That fairness is not just a matter of how many voters in each party there is, but also where they live. Republicans have a geographic advantage.
Saying it doesn't make it so. No gerrymander here, lol. Don't believe your own eyes.
The current gerrymander:
This is the problem. One is an obvious gerrymander, the other looks perfectly reasonable. Both are gerrymandered, but the Dems are fighting an uphill battle here.
What a blatant cherry picking of maps
Of course the particular “Democrat drawn” map you're showing was basically the result of orders to have been implemented by the department of justice or whoever oversaw voting rights act implementation in order to preserve black voting power. It was also still very balanced overall and the representatives elected closely followed the overall makeup of the state.
The “Republican drawn” map was the interim map that was forced on them after SCOTUS ruled that States had to regulate the maps, and the NC SC kicked the maps out. And it still elected Republicans disproportionately compared to the overall make up.
Also, the biggest difference is computing power. Now, it is far easier to create gerrymanders that are far more impactful, regardless of what they kook like
Of course the particular “Democrat drawn” map you're showing was basically the result of orders to have been implemented by the department of justice or whoever oversaw voting rights act implementation in order to preserve black voting power. It was also still very balanced overall and the representatives elected closely followed the overall makeup of the state.
The “Republican drawn” map was the interim map that was forced on them after SCOTUS ruled that States had to regulate the maps, and the NC SC kicked the maps out. And it still elected Republicans disproportionately compared to the overall make up.
Also, the biggest difference is computing power. Now, it is far easier to create gerrymanders that are far more impactful, regardless of what they kook like
We've discussed that already, that when the Democrats were in control, they were ordered to create racial gerrymanders and then when the Republicans took control, their maps were thrown out for being racial gerrymanders. You can't make this stuff up.
But what this all comes down to is it is not unconstitutional or illegal that create political gerrymanders so long as they follow the rules about being contiguous, compact, and not splitting counties. And neither party will change this when in the majority. It's all much ado about nothing really. Democrats have to learn to win in the maps as they are drawn.
Of course the particular “Democrat drawn” map you're showing was basically the result of orders to have been implemented by the department of justice or whoever oversaw voting rights act implementation in order to preserve black voting power. It was also still very balanced overall and the representatives elected closely followed the overall makeup of the state.
The “Republican drawn” map was the interim map that was forced on them after SCOTUS ruled that States had to regulate the maps, and the NC SC kicked the maps out. And it still elected Republicans disproportionately compared to the overall make up.
Also, the biggest difference is computing power. Now, it is far easier to create gerrymanders that are far more impactful, regardless of what they kook like
Exactly. I love how repubs exist in a world of alternative facts.
No, I certainly am not making up anything. For the 85-87 congress, nc had 5 of 11 seats republican. From 1969 to 1974, 4 repubs. 4 and 5 repubs through the 80's. 7 and repubs from the mid 90's to mid 2000's. Your numbers are WRONG. In 1995-97 it was 8 out of 12 republicans. If thats gerrymandering, then someone wasn't very good at it.
Try the truth for a change. It will help you, and it will help the country.
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