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Old 04-15-2024, 01:33 PM
 
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Ukraine is indisputably one of the most corrupt nations in Europe. Nothing about it embodies Western notions of democracy and it's continually slid into despotism as it bans linguistic and religious minority institutions. Their nation is a major facilitator of Western money laundering and its leadership has been exploiting the 'aid' sent to their country in the interest of profiting. Let's not pretend that Ukraine is aspiring for democratic ideals but it doesn't and it continues to trek down that road into a state of oppression.

Are you serious? The ideals of democracy have had a presence in what is now Russia spanning close to 1000 years. The Novgorod Republic existed from the 12th century until the 15th but came to embody certain crude principles of democracy by the standards of the Middle Ages. At least have the decency to research the matter of Russian history before singularising as a single unending sequence of hellish autarchy and oppression. By comparison, what would come to be known as the foundation of British and, eventually, American principals of human rights, the Magna Carta, wasn't codified until the early 13third century.

As to the idea of Russia's leadership being psychopathic, have you actually researched what the opposition of the Russian political spectrum is like? How Putin has helped to turn that around as it was circling the abyss back in the 1990s as Western figures ran roughshod, exporting its wealth as the GDP plummeted, unemployment was at a record high, and rates of suicide and prostitution had skyrocketed. Nothing about the kind of era from back in the 1990s under Yelstin is something that Russians aspire to return to because it was crap except for the people profiting from Russia's exploitation.

The conflict in Ukraine isn't like 1990s Iraq or its early 2000s sequel where you had public officials in the United States admitting that the blood of 500,000 Iraqi children was a price worth paying to achieve their ends. Anyone who has actually studied and read about what's going on the ground in Ukraine would understand the levels to which the civilian infrastructure and loss of life for civilians has been minimised. Juxtapose that to the tens of thousands of civilians killed in Gaza by Israel over the span of seven months.

As to the notion of Russia being 'cornered' and waning, you do understand that Russia has been economically reorienting itself to the East, right? The Shanghai Cooperation, BRICS... Their economy is managing.

Tell me when Russia was anything close to a democracy? Anyone in Russia today who holds the "ideals of democracy" is liable to arrest if he or she publicly demonstrates in the pursuit of those ideals.

Do you really believe that the invasion of "corrupt" Ukraine was in anyway an exercise in cleansing that country of it's corruption and by no less than another country which is even more corrupt and tyrannical? What a joke.

Tell me the justification for targeting civilian residences ? Or are Russian missiles so lousy and sub-standard that they're incapable of any accuracy ?

If the Ukraine is as corrupt as you say then it would be up to the European Union to require that it gets it's house in order before any consideration of membership and certainly not Putin's Russia
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Old 04-15-2024, 02:44 PM
 
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Tell me when Russia was anything close to a democracy? Anyone in Russia today who holds the "ideals of democracy" is liable to arrest if he or she publicly demonstrates in the pursuit of those ideals.

Do you really believe that the invasion of "corrupt" Ukraine was in anyway an exercise in cleansing that country of it's corruption and by no less than another country which is even more corrupt and tyrannical? What a joke.

Tell me the justification for targeting civilian residences ? Or are Russian missiles so lousy and sub-standard that they're incapable of any accuracy ?

If the Ukraine is as corrupt as you say then it would be up to the European Union to require that it gets it's house in order before any consideration of membership and certainly not Putin's Russia

Um, today? The Russian Federation has multi-party viability, where you have representation from different parties. And which individuals are you referring to? Because if they're like Alexander Navalny, someone who was known to have associative links to British MI6, then no, I don't have any sympathies for him any more than I would other Western back saboteurs.


Ukraine's leadership has seen to it to discriminate against an entire religio-ethno-linguistic group under the guise of fighting Russia. But you would that as a country that allegedly espouses democratic ideals, they would permit the free exercise of language and religion in their country. Mind you, we're talking about a country that's seen fit to memorialise and take inspiration from the likes of Stepan Bandera. Where one of their top military advisers had gone on record advocating for the 'de-Russification' of Ukraine, and this was before the recent outbreak of hostilities. No, they're not a democracy. To be fair, though, the West has been gradually slipping into despotism itself.



Russia has endeavoured to comparatively limit the number of civilian casualties. Ukrainian soldiers are known to use the civilian populace as a means of deterring or causing hesitation on the part of Russian troops in firing back.



The European Union's policies are lopsided and disjointed, while at the same time eroding the individual sovereignty of its member states. A country like Germany doesn't even have the fortitude to call out Biden and the United States when they're flagrantly responsible for destroying a major piece of energy infrastructure in their country.
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Old 04-16-2024, 12:13 AM
 
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Um, today? The Russian Federation has multi-party viability, where you have representation from different parties. And which individuals are you referring to? Because if they're like Alexander Navalny, someone who was known to have associative links to British MI6, then no, I don't have any sympathies for him any more than I would other Western back saboteurs.


Ukraine's leadership has seen to it to discriminate against an entire religio-ethno-linguistic group under the guise of fighting Russia. But you would that as a country that allegedly espouses democratic ideals, they would permit the free exercise of language and religion in their country. Mind you, we're talking about a country that's seen fit to memorialise and take inspiration from the likes of Stepan Bandera. Where one of their top military advisers had gone on record advocating for the 'de-Russification' of Ukraine, and this was before the recent outbreak of hostilities. No, they're not a democracy. To be fair, though, the West has been gradually slipping into despotism itself.



Russia has endeavoured to comparatively limit the number of civilian casualties. Ukrainian soldiers are known to use the civilian populace as a means of deterring or causing hesitation on the part of Russian troops in firing back.



The European Union's policies are lopsided and disjointed, while at the same time eroding the individual sovereignty of its member states. A country like Germany doesn't even have the fortitude to call out Biden and the United States when they're flagrantly responsible for destroying a major piece of energy infrastructure in their country.
The Russian system of government serves only to carry out Putin's orders. Navalny had the guts to call out Putin for what he really is and was murdered for it.

What does is matter if one Ukrainian military advisor called for the "de-Russification" of Ukraine. It wouldn't happen. Zelensky would not carry out such an action. He was intent on Ukraine becoming a member of the EU and knew he would be sanctioned if he tried to.

The EU may have made Euro nationalism somewhat obsolete but it has finally after centuries put an end to national rivalries and destructive wars.

There have been countless claims by Ukrainian citizens that Russian troops carried out atrocities in the areas they occupied. The Russian Army has even drafted criminals into it's ranks.

Not sure what you mean by Biden and the US destroying German energy ?

At one time Germany's energy was produced through nuclear power. Angela Merkel, one of the worst leaders since Adolf Hitler got the screaming willies and decided nuclear power was no longer a safe bet and instead switched over to purchasing cheap Russian gas and oil which of course was a disaster for it's energy industry after the Ukraine war started
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Old 04-16-2024, 01:52 PM
 
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Honestly: Maybe another world war is what the world needs! As long as nukes are not used. However going to war over Ukraine or Israel is not the red line.
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Old 04-16-2024, 02:18 PM
 
Location: Boston
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we have no idea what Ukraine will look like when this war ends. Probably end in 10 years after we've spent a trillion dollars and Ukraine ends up one third it's present size. Exit from there will probably look like Afghanistan, another Biden induced dark stain on the history of our country.
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Old 04-16-2024, 02:38 PM
 
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Trump's Putin-ista mob in Congress are doing their best to topple Speaker Johnson and stop any further aid to Ukraine
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