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Old 01-08-2023, 09:29 PM
 
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Cases are less complicated
People don’t have deep pockets or wired-in attorneys
They scare easier
So yes—I can see what the IRS would go after lower income people with tax problems

Analyzing tax returned that are 4” thick or more takes time, effort, and patience to undo all the knots that are tied into that return
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Old 01-08-2023, 09:32 PM
 
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Well fraudulent or otherwise improperly claimed EITC benefits cost tax payers an estimated 27 billion in 2020 so it would seem the program needs some tightening up or better oversight.
If it is known that it was fraudulent or improper then why was it paid off or not retrieved? How do they know this amount?
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Old 01-08-2023, 10:01 PM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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I guess I can at least give it as much concern as people on the left did when the IRS was caught auditing conservative groups at a much higher rate than liberal groups under the Obama administration.
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Old 01-08-2023, 10:21 PM
 
Location: Metro Seattle Area - Born and Raised
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Sadly, a significant percentage of the “poor,” which means the Middle-Class, will continue to vote for the democrats who are doing there best to destroy them.
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Old 01-08-2023, 10:27 PM
 
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Hey...they WANT that tax on the $600 you made.....
"$600 you made"? So was that $600 a profit?
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Old 01-08-2023, 10:41 PM
 
Location: Kaliforneea
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Cases are less complicated
People don’t have deep pockets or wired-in attorneys
They scare easier

Well, this.


You dont have to be "a cheater". You can simply be bad at math, sloppy, cant afford professional advice, cant afford an attorney or an accountant or throw all your paperwork away the moment you receive it. Then brag about your "voluntary simplicity".



I heard about a company who's official advice to their employees was burn/shred/destroy any document over 90 days old. Like living in a burning candle wick.



8/10 people who receive a very official looking notice, will just pay it. But 87,000 agents are no match for 166M workers. Thats still 1 agent for every ~1900 workers.



Upper-middle class, little tougher nut to crack: can somewhat afford to fight back, and do scare - but not so easily.
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Old 01-09-2023, 02:00 AM
 
Location: My house
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By the same token our conservative friends naively think the tax agency should exempt the possibility of audit based on meeting some imaginary threshold. Also worth noting, no economic class in the spectrum is immune to the possibility of cheating on their taxes. If you're following the law you should have no fear of your returns being examined. Period. Chapter and Verse.
hopefully you are familiar with the entire tax code, because you sign your returns under penalty of perjury and the tax agency doesn’t care if your CPA prepared it. if the agency finds something, you now have to prove yourself whether they are right or wrong - and they do get it wrong. that will cost you money and unnecessary stress and it also wastes taxpayer money. but you must think big government is righteous and pure. never forget that humans can make mistakes. you want to fine them and jail them when there might not even be a mistake? such compassion for the common man/they/woman
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Old 01-09-2023, 02:10 AM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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The thing is the Millionaires have their own people that will take care of their money and they will pay as little in taxes as possible.
But the left assured us that wouldn't happen under the new $600 IRS threshold.

Tax avoidance = legal
Tax evasion = illegall

The left doesn't know the difference.
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Old 01-09-2023, 06:34 AM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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But the left assured us that wouldn't happen under the new $600 IRS threshold.

Tax avoidance = legal
Tax evasion = illegall

The left doesn't know the difference.
None of that was written into the bill. You were told that by the media.

And people just lapped it up.....
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Old 01-09-2023, 06:47 AM
 
Location: Western PA
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https://www.the-sun.com/money/486981...ld-taxes-2022/

I think it goes without saying that the IRS reporting requirements of sales of items over $600 and adding 87,000 agents is going to exponentially increase this activity.

I suspect these really are not audits. They are letters sent to tax payers about missing or questionable items that were found based on an automated scan of returns by their systems. But, we need to gin up hate and discontent so we make it sound like the IRS is sending poor mom and dad to the cardboard box under the bridge with Tommy and Mary to live a life of destitution.

I do however suspect that the most tax fraud is occurring in the middle to lower tax brackets so I get they want to make sure that class of tax payer is properly filing. We give away a pile of money that is not “tax refund” via our tax system. That should stop IMO. Nobody should ever get more money back than they paid in.

So, if your poor or middle class and your cheating on your tax returns it appears the government is coming for you.. or at least wants you to play by the rules

No, they dont. The OLNR process is 100% automated. The 'poor' dont pay any taxes so they dont audit at all, reported income under a threshold gets a pass. what we are seeing is missing documentation for the self employed who insist on paper filing.


The wealthier almost 100% use professional filing services
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