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When this forum has thread after thread about "supporting" one of 100's of nations, it makes one wonder. We already see threads here calling many Americans traitors if they don't do what other say (support ICE, for example).
This issue can become yet another of them. I have blood in Israel in a number of ways. But as Ted Roosevelt clearly noted, there are no hyphenated Americans. I am an American. That means I care about lots of issues...and don't pledge my allegiance to two countries.
This forum doesn't have thread after thread about supporting Israel, so you should wonder why you think it does.
Your suggestion that Jews in the U.S. pledge allegiance to Israel is bull. Of course the vast majority support Israel's existence, but many Jewish organizations and individuals are sympathetic to the Palestinian position and oppose specific Israeli policies. You'll even find Jews supporting the BDS movement.
Hmm, in essence, you are suggesting to return all North America to native Indians. After all, they lived here for over 10,000 years. And they don't have their own state right now. Absolutely same logic. So, if you support giving land to Israel, then you should support giving North America back to natives. Unless, of course, you live by double standards.
Feel free to suggest that in Congress - in the same package with "aid" for Israel.
Obviously that's not what I'm suggesting. The Zionists purchased the land from Ottoman-era landowners. The tenants' rights ran out with their month-to-month leases. And the "Palestinians" have resisted making any approach for peace that does not involve Jewish surrender.
You can go roundy-round with that argument all day but generally speaking, showing up and declaring eminent domain over a piece of property because your ancestors happened to live there 2000 years ago is shaky footing to begin with. As you say, Jews lived in the region anyway for much of modern history, and somehow managed to live along side everybody else. But of course in 1948 something changed. (actually well prior to that)
The sort of history, consideration and argument SOME people simply cannot take into account objectively and ultimately will not allow, for obvious reasons...
This argument never works for me. Israel already has the land, just like we already have this land. Seeing as how you don’t support giving North America back to the natives, why would you support Israel giving the land back to the Palestinians? Assuming it even belonged to them in the first place.
Does the argument in favor of establishing Indian Reservations in America not work for you either?
I don’t really care about who lived there 2000 years ago. And I don’t care who lived there 75 years ago. Israel is the country that is there now, and Israel has the “right of force” as you put it. They have been able to successfully defend the land on multiple occasions, so it is theirs until someone can take it away from them. But as I pointed out, that window is gone, because in the age of nuclear weapons, that is extremely unlikely.
Sometimes I wonder when I read comments like yours...
Do you recognize ANY wrong-doing on the part of Israel or U.S. policy with respect to Israel and/or with regard to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict?
This forum doesn't have thread after thread about supporting Israel, so you should wonder why you think it does.
Your suggestion that Jews in the U.S. pledge allegiance to Israel is bull. Of course the vast majority support Israel's existence, but many Jewish organizations and individuals are sympathetic to the Palestinian position and oppose specific Israeli policies. You'll even find Jews supporting the BDS movement.
Your comment reminded me of a search function I came to realize just yesterday that I should use more often...
Not sure how many are directly related to supporting Israel, but an awful lot about Israel generally speaking. Not sure how to perform a search more specifically about your claim, but it would no doubt involve about 18 pages of thread titles. That's a lot of pages and thread titles.
With regard to your comment in bold, those voices are rarely heard in this forum far as my experience has been so far. Quite the opposite as a rule in fact. Would you not agree?
Sometimes I wonder when I read comments like yours...
Do you recognize ANY wrong-doing on the part of Israel or U.S. policy with respect to Israel and/or with regard to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict?
If no, please simply confirm.
If yes, please elaborate.
No.
I believe Israel tried to do the right thing, several times, and the Palestinians spit in their faces for it, every time. I hear a lot of jumbo jumbo about Israel not wanting peace, but it only makes sense if you revise history first.
I believe that the Palestinians will accept nothing less than the whole country of Israel.
Until the Palestinians give up on their dream and goal of the destruction of Israel, the peace process can never move further. It has to start there, because that is what has been keeping them from accepting their own country for all these years.
So no. I don’t recognize ANY wrong doing, because the Palestinians have brought all this on themselves. If they wanted their own country, they could have had it 70 years ago.
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