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"Right now, tens of millions of Americans – including many decent, traditional Democrats – are wondering what on Earth has possessed today’s Democratic Party.
How can one possibly explain what increasingly appears to be the progressive left’s growing descent into madness?"
It is scary when the leaders call for violence.
This topic is one that many a moderate Democrat can relate to. I would have included conservative Democrats, but most left the party some time ago. I remember when Zell Miller left his lifelong party saying he no longer recognized it. That was back in the early 2000's and he gave a speech at the RNC that delivered a strong rebuke of where the Democrats had gone to;
He starts in at 1:20 if you are interested. Now I will grant you most of his objections were based on national defense and military support which he felt the Democrats had lost their way on. However I suspect he is spinning in his grave having passed recently this year with all the leftist/socialist rhetoric the present Democrats are espousing.
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Originally Posted by Valhallian
You know, it’s funny how we’ve had the rise of the Tea Party, the alt right, the election of the Mad King for President, Republican gerrymandering, 8 years of Republican obstructionism, Republican stealing of a SCOTUS appointment, yet....the “Democrats” are being accused here of having gone mad.
To be honest, the right has only to look in the mirror for the rise of the progressive left. Democrats have been centrist for years, while the Republicans have yanked the center ever further to the right. Democrats have tried to be conciliatory but to no avail. No matter what any Democrat does they’ll be accused of being “radical”, “socialist”, a “far left loon”. Well guess what? Now the chickens are coming home to roost. You cry wolf enough times, eventually, the wolf comes knockin’ at your door and no one will believe you.
We’re in a new age baby, get ready.
Republican gerrymandering?
The only way either party can gerrymander, is because the people put them in power. Thus many state governments are controlled by the party in power.
You would be very naive to think only Republicans redistrict parts of their states to best have more of their own party get elected.
Democrats do the exact same thing, but it sounds like you are brainwashed with a good vs. evil perspective based on this post alone.
Another example of that is your claim of "(R's) stealing a scotus seat". I have studied and followed the scotus more than most, hence I know a lot about who has been nominated and the process by which they are confirmed.
It was our last VP Joe Biden of all people (when he was a senator) who said Bush should not be allowed to nominate a judge during an election year and the senate should delay any such nomintion until after the election;
In modern times, the Democrats have been the ones to use their advice & consent duty in the senate to try and stop qualified judges from becoming justices on our highest court.
It started with Judge Robert Bork who was eminently qualified, yet was savaged with personal attacks on his character to the point of even many Democrats being disgusted.
Hence now the word bork is an verb used to describe the process of personal destruction to try and keep a justice off the bench, all because of ideological differences, not qualifications.
They tried to do it again with judge Clarence Thomas, but failed to stop his confirmation.
YET, WHen uber liberals/leftists were nominated by Democrats like Ruth Bader Ginsburg, she was confirmed by a vote of 96-3.
Not because the Republicans thought she would decide cases based on the text of the Constitution, as they knew she would be a liberal activist. However they followed their responsibility based on the fact she was qualified, thus she was approved.
How does that fit into you good Democrat vs. evil Republican paradigm?
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Originally Posted by dashrendar4454
think you're mistaken. Democrats have been moving further and further left which is what led to Democrats massive losses in 2014 and 2016
Indeed, and I have a perfect example in my family. My uncle was a life long Democrat, many from a work/union perspective. He passed away as a loyal Democrat many years ago. As is the case with many families, his kids were both Democrats, one a very liberal (D) from a perspective of the 1970-80's. However even she has (along with his siblings) left the party of her father. She said he would be disgusted with how the party has become a bunch of weak kneed social justice warriors, and abandoned many of their core beliefs.
So two of my family members that we never thought would change (especially one of them) have now left the Democrat party. Many almost lost consciousness when she announced she will be voting for Trump next election.
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Originally Posted by Valhallian
I'd be interested to know how someone can have that perspective, it's a shame I can't speak to you in person because it truly is something that I don't understand. To me, it's so clear that the Republican party has taken a massive swing to the right since 2008, while the Democrats as a whole have only slightly veered left from where they were previously. However, the further left elements are now becoming more mainstream.
I say this in all sincerity and with no personal offense intended, that your perspective is genuinely off.
I suspect it is based on the type of shows you watch, papers and books you read. The MSM which is mostly liberal, does skew things to make it seem as if leftist ideology is something good and normal, thus when you channel surf and see most reporting that says the same thing. Thus you are genuinely led to believe the (R's) have gone hard right while the (D's) are about the same.
Rest assured this is not accurate, and mostly the opposite.
However, do not take my word for it, as you might view me as a partisan person whose view is warped by my own ideology.
You can confirm what I am telling you is correct with just a little research on your own(use reputable sources, not rubbish like Wiki).
I suspect if you are old enough, you supported Bill Clinton in both 1992 & 1996. Even if you were too young, you probably would have voted for him over Bush Sr and Dole. Needless to say that is not all that long ago.
Now, look at the DNC platform from just the 1990's when a popular (D) president was in office, and compare the Democrats policy positions with where they are today (i.e. the DNC platform of 2016).
Do the same for the RNC, and you can go back even farther if you like, say 1980's when Ronald Reagan was president.
Then compare the RNC platform from 2016 with the one from 1980 & 1984 respectively.
You will find that it is the Republicans that are very close to the same in their policy positions, and it is the Democrats who have taken a sharp turn toward the left.
If you really want to have your faith shaken, look at the (D's) from the days of Truman & JFK, and compare litmus tests from those days compared with today. You will see almost two completely different parties, because neither Truman nor JFK would believe how far left the Democrats have gone.
Heck if JFK gave his famous speech about " ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country" he'd be laughed off the stage.
With today's Democratic entitlement mentality, they want more and more from the government, and want to be coddled with "free ______" from cradle to grave.
As to social and cultural issues, forget it, the Democrat party has gone radical left (and I do not use the term "radical" loosely) in the last 20 or so years.
But again, don't take my word for it, the evidence/facts are available for you to see for yourself.
Yep. The Rethuglicans taught us everything we know and the rules have changed.
Yet it's right wing extremists who actually kill people. Over and over and over again. The numbers are actually quite staggering.
You continue to close your eyes while they are arrested with pipe bombs and other means of killing.
What kind of cognitive dissonance allows you to do this?
Maybe you skipped history lessons, as it is leftist/socialist/communist ideology that has killed the most people.
Whether it be the Mao, Hitler, Pot or Stalin, most human suffering and mass murder have occurred out of a leftist ideology.
As to the examples you gave, I assume you mean here in America?
The kook who had the pipe-bombs and sent them to Democrats was clearly a deranged nut. Thank God he didn't actually harm anyone. Thus while his ideology might have been right, he hardly compares with the regular violence on the left these days. It was only by the grace of God and two brave LE that the Bernie supporter didn't kill a bunch of Republicans on the baseball field last year.
Heck even back in the day with Obama's buddy Bill Aryes, his Weatherman Underground group was actually killing people, not just attempting to do so.
This despite the fact he was not some nutbag, as his groups motivation was the overthrow of our constitutional republic.
Regardless, rest assured the OP is on point, regardless of where you might want the (D) party to be. There will be nuts from either side of the ideological spectrum, but in our country it is the Democrats who have left their foundation principles, and are adrift toward socialism/communism.
It's similar to why the Republican Party went crazy when the Tea Party was formed. Hopefully, the Democratic Party will stabilize and the socialists will just remain a small fringe corner of the party.
"Right now, tens of millions of Americans – including many decent, traditional Democrats – are wondering what on Earth has possessed today’s Democratic Party.
How can one possibly explain what increasingly appears to be the progressive left’s growing descent into madness?"
It is scary when the leaders call for violence.
Democrats gone mad? democrats i know are still talking about healthcare/economy/free education/social programs while the repubs are talking caravans of hideous people invading the country bringing disease and pestulance. think you have it backwards janelle its the repubs who have gone insane..
It's similar to why the Republican Party went crazy when the Tea Party was formed. Hopefully, the Democratic Party will stabilize and the socialists will just remain a small fringe corner of the party.
You might hope for that, but the leadership of the (D's) are the ones going in the socialism direction, not the fringe elements.
Heck you had Hillary trying to get to the left of an avowed socialist (Bernie is really a closet communist).
Regular (D) folks like Jim Webb couldn't get any traction, and even he has said the Democrats have gone way too the left;
Maybe you skipped history lessons, as it is leftist/socialist/communist ideology that has killed the most people.
Whether it be the Mao, Hitler, Pot or Stalin, most human suffering and mass murder have occurred out of a leftist ideology.
As to the examples you gave, I assume you mean here in America?
The kook who had the pipe-bombs and sent them to Democrats was clearly a deranged nut. Thank God he didn't actually harm anyone. Thus while his ideology might have been right, he hardly compares with the regular violence on the left these days. It was only by the grace of God and two brave LE that the Bernie supporter didn't kill a bunch of Republicans on the baseball field last year.
Heck even back in the day with Obama's buddy Bill Aryes, his Weatherman Underground group was actually killing people, not just attempting to do so.
This despite the fact he was not some nutbag, as his groups motivation was the overthrow of our constitutional republic.
Regardless, rest assured the OP is on point, regardless of where you might want the (D) party to be. There will be nuts from either side of the ideological spectrum, but in our country it is the Democrats who have left their foundation principles, and are adrift toward socialism/communism.
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I would not consider Hitler a leftist he was ultra right
I would not consider Hitler a leftist he was ultra right
Most reputable historians would agree with you but I’m sure some dimwit will tell you that he was a National Socialist and thus a leftist, based on a wingnut website, since they never spent a day in college.
You might hope for that, but the leadership of the (D's) are the ones going in the socialism direction, not the fringe elements.
Heck you had Hillary trying to get to the left of an avowed socialist (Bernie is really a closet communist).
Regular (D) folks like Jim Webb couldn't get any traction, and even he has said the Democrats have gone way too the left;
Most reputable historians would agree with you but I’m sure some dimwit will tell you that he was a National Socialist and thus a leftist, based on a wingnut website, since they never spent a day in college.
Adolf Hitler wasn’t “right wing.” If you take nothing else from this post, just remember Hitler was a socialist. With terrible facial hair. There’s an easy way to remember it, too. NAZI stands for National Socialist German Workers‘ Party. Associate it with blunt mustaches.
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