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Elaborate your statement please, so that you'd hear my theory)))
Looking at you *location,* I am utterly surprised to hear that)))
Leningrad as my location is for blanks and giggles.
Capitalism is the consensual exchange of goods and services between two parties. Under capitalism all property not privately owned (as in one is mixing their labor with it) can be claimed by the first individual who wishes to mix their labor with it thus making it privatized.
All States are involuntary. All States regulate. All States don't allow private individuals to claim unused land for private use in some variation. If a State "owns" land that means all private properties are unable to use this non-privatized land or factor it into their consensual exchange of goods and services. Therefore an involuntary State sullies the ability of the private parties to negotiate under true capitalism.
You have no recourse with the State. If they say eminent domain...that's it. Protest and you'll be caged.
Consent requires that both parties are free from duress and have the cognitive ability to enter into such an agreement. Surely me signing a contract with a gun to my head or while being in a coma someone picks up my hand and signs on the line for me is not consensual because I was under duress in the first example and not cognitively able to give consent in the second.
Even the lowly statist can understand that.
As you can see capitalism requires that no involuntary State be present. Again, unless you have a theory I'm not aware of.
The answer is - you don't, in the same manner that you can't keep private property in the sea of poverty, without murdering people as well.
Alright, so...
Under communism (at least authoritarian communism where people are forced into it), people are murdered for not sacrificing their individual rights to the will of the collective.
In a situation where private property is respected, but a sea of poverty exists, you'll have people who murder to get what belongs to others, and you'll have people who kill others defending their property.
So what I take from that is this... the bloodshed in both situations are the fault of people who would rather take the wealth generated by others, rather than generate their own wealth.
Communism - really, collectivism in any form - is just a way for the masses to do their looting, but make it seem legitimate by way of politics.
And really, the masses that I mentioned are just "useful idiots" as the saying goes, that allow people like Stalin, Mao, Hitler, etc. to acquire power over a society.
There is as much "consensual" about capitalism, as about sex in the harem)))
The only non-consensual aspects of capitalism are due to nature, or life itself... as in, we have to work to produce things instead of sitting around waiting for it to appear.
You can choose to do absolutely nothing if you want, but you won't have a very nice life unless someone chooses to take you on as a burden.
"Communism" ( or rather socialism) would have been a case when "the Liberals" would have taken away the MEANS of production from the private owners, passed the control of them to the state, and STATE would have started distributing the incomes to the "leeches" and former owners of companies alike.
Guess you missed what California has been doing for the last few years. What we are seeing with them and the Liberals is a progressive movement from Socialism to Communism, and daring the rest of the Nation to do something about it. Now you also see this "Cancer" spreading outward in the Sanctuary City Movement.
Well this is gibberish to begin with, because "Communism" and Fascism for example stood for completely different things.
Honestly speaking it's a whole different subject, because the contemporary American left is quite different to what classic "left" used to represent, so may be this whole issue requires its own thread.
We don't know whether "communism ever worked" because whatever has been christened as "communism" in Russia, was in fact never communism, but socialism.
That's BS. The Democrats are engaged in Socialism, which is the child of Communism when it grows up, and Fascism, using groups like ANTIFA and supporting their violence against those who do not think like them, same as the "Brown shirts" in Hitler's Germany. Same tactics. Same mindset. Also the Democrats staged an attempted "Coupe" of the Government, but Trump got voted in and foiled their schemes. Its not a different subject, since no one said anything about comparing todays Liberals to previous Liberals. Todays Liberals are more of a threat than any Foreign Terrorist to our way of life. What Russia has as a Government is what we all have recognized and been taught that its Communism. Your opinion of what it really is makes no difference and contradicts what we already know. Russia is a Communist Nation, along with many others. End of story.
Pay attention, that the centerpiece of Marx ( i.e. COMMUNIST) theory is not "money" per se, but "means of production." ( I am pointing at this, since you keep on referencing to "Communism" for some reason or the other.) Because Marx, apparently, doesn't see the money as a source of a problem, but something more tangible, that allows the inequality to exist - namely the "means of production" that facilitate money, based on the "surplus value" theory ( according to Marx.) And as long as the part of "means of production" ( i.e. the source that helps one accumulate money) is not addressed and passed under government's control, you have no ground to speak of "communism" ( or socialism for this matter.) Because your own invention "And that ownership need not be completely nationalized for it to be collectively owned" is just that - an invention, where "communism" is concerned.
GREAT ARM WAVING.
But.
Communism is based on STEALING property from the owners by denying their RIGHT TO ABSOLUTELY OWN.
Calling thievery by government an enlightened ideology is par for the course. Most, if not all communist paradises required military force and involuntary imposition. Or at the least, they rely upon grand deception to hide the facts.
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I guess if you are not satisfied with this kind of compensation, you are always free to leave and migrate to the third world country.
Who am I to argue?
Compulsory charity and slavery to "benevolent" government may be your idea of paradise, but not according to American law - at least not before the glorious socialist revolution of 1933.
". . . There is a clear distinction in this particular case between an individual and a corporation, and that the latter has no right to refuse to submit its books and papers for an examination at the suit of the State. The individual may stand upon his constitutional right as a citizen. He is entitled to carry on his private business in his own way. His power to contract is unlimited. He owes no such duty to the State, since he receives nothing therefrom, beyond the protection of his life and property. HIS RIGHTS ARE SUCH AS EXISTED BY THE LAW OF THE LAND (*COMMON LAW) LONG ANTECEDENT TO THE ORGANIZATION OF THE STATE, and can only be taken from him by due process of law, and in accordance with the Constitution. Among his rights are refusal to incriminate himself, and the immunity of himself and his property from arrest or seizure except under a warrant of law. He owes nothing to the public so long as he does not trespass upon their rights. "
- - - Hale vs Henkel, 201 U.S. 43.
“PERSONAL LIBERTY, or the Right to enjoyment of life and liberty, is one of the fundamental or NATURAL Rights, which has been protected by its inclusion as a guarantee in the various constitutions, which is not derived from, or dependent on, the U.S. Constitution, which may not be submitted to a vote and may not depend on the outcome of an election. It is one of the most sacred and valuable Rights, as sacred as the Right to private property...and is regarded as inalienable.”
- - - 16 Corpus Juris Secundum, Constitutional Law, Sect.202, p.987
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People who have not surrendered their endowed rights to live and own private property, and who owe nothing to the state as long as they do not trespass upon the rights of others are unlikely subjects for Big Brother.
Of course, such people are loathe to buckle under the jackboots and masked enforcers of "gentle" collectivism ("theft by government"). Best to disarm them.
Marxism 101:
COMMUNISM - the ownership of property, or means of production, distribution and supply, by the whole of a classless society, with wealth shared on the principle of 'to each according to his need', each yielding fully 'according to his ability'.
- - - Webster's Dictionary.
SOCIALISM - A political and economic theory advocating collective ownership of the means of production and control of distribution. It is based upon the belief that all, while contributing to the good of the community, are equally entitled to the care and protection which the community can provide.
- - - Webster's dictionary
Socialism and communism = COLLECTIVE ownership.
Compulsory charity.
Expropriation of property for the benefit of another.
From the Communist manifesto:
"In this sense, the theory of the Communists may be summed up in the single sentence: Abolition of private property."
Either you absolutely own yourself, your labor and the fruits of that labor (aka "free man").
Or you're a serf / slave / subject in the glorious People's Collective.
Tough choice, eh?
Isn't Collectivism (and the abolition of private property) reconstituted slavery, where the victim’s right to life is dependent on permission of the state, and his labor and property are subject to being taken by government, in whole or in part?
If that's your idea of ideological paradise, please don't kill over 90 million people to impose it.
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