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Old 07-29-2017, 06:15 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Originally Posted by EvilEyeFleegle View Post
Actually..no.
If..is a big if..a bill is passed and vetoed--60 senators can override--and the bill becomes law.

The House and the Senate can run this country..believe it or not.

Read the constitution some time..and see just how limited the POTUS' expressed powers are.
actually I guess you miss read my post and the constitution


there are three house (house of reps. house of senate, and the whitehouse).... a bill needs to pass ALL THREE

and to override a veto takes 2/3's of the senate...that would be 67 votes in the senate, and also 2/3's in the HR (about 270)


yes the POTUS is supposed to be limited...but over the years...they have expanded those powers...Wilson, FDR and a few others have added to the Whitehouse powers

look at how Obusha, said he would "go around" congress
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Old 07-29-2017, 06:28 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Only if the people revolt. Revolution would be, for example, 70% of voters actually casting a vote.

I think the show is pretty much over. The USA will survive but only in our own minds will we be "#1". The entire rest of the world is moving on...

Putin and China's leader have a higher worldwide approval rating than Trump (and America)....when the question is asked as to whether they are moving their countries forward. Merkels is off-the-charts.

I think Germany is the new head of the Western World and China of the world-in-general. If China is not there yet it will be within a few short years.

Heck, we can't even build a simple mid-speed rail line here. We can't do the basic health care other countries solved decades ago. We keep wasting more on fruitless wars...not even approved or declared by Congress.

We celebrate the Moochers on Wall Street which making it harder and harder for the average American.

It sux. Of course, to some extent it always has but the Ideal has been there...and some headed toward those Ideals. Now it's just too obvious that Money is the Religion of America...and we are Fundamentalists in that religion.
actually we don't need to be "number 1"....but we do need our manufacturing back that the globalist liberals sold to overseas

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Heck, we can't even build a simple mid-speed rail line here
and that has nothing to do with the POTUS.... the problem is people, government, and the taking of private property... a mid or high speed rail needs
except for:

all the people it will unhouse due to the thievery of eminent domain

all the crop land it will destroy

all the environment it will destroy

the economies it will destroy

and the shear cost of trying to build it

Here is a commentary on the cali high speed rail quagmire:
http://hanfordsentinel.com/news/opin...cc4c03286.html
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Most of you are aware that the authority intends to lay a track for their train that will enter Kings County from the north across the Kings River a little east of 9th Avenue. The track travels southeast, crosses 8th Avenue north of Dover Avenue and travels southeast across Excelsior Avenue until it lines up with the high voltage power line on the east side of the 7 1/2 Avenue alignment. The track will run south along the east side of the power lines. The track starts following the power line somewhere between Excelsior and Flint avenues. The track follows this course south until it crosses Grangeville Boulevard and stops at the north side of the east-to-west freight rail line that runs south of Grangeville and north of East Lacey Boulevard. The authority is proposing to build a train station at that location.

The train would then travel south along the high voltage lines and would align itself with Highway 43, somewhere south of Houston Avenue.

This path will tear up permanent crops of walnuts, cherries and almonds. It will tear up other crops like cotton, corn, wheat and hay. Farm management will be more difficult because water delivery systems from wells and canals will be severed by the track. Just reaching the severed parcels on the other side of the track may take several miles of driving. When the train is fully up and running, I have been at meetings that reported that up to 12 trains an hour will pass through our area. The authority staff have seriously told us that they would devise a way of coordinating their movements with our agricultural spraying to prevent chemical drift. These operational effects are forever and some of the solutions are laughable.

More land will be lost to the building of easements and overpasses. The losses are far greater than the 100-foot-wide path that the authority advertises as their impact. There is new discussion about the authority building a large maintenance site south of Hanford-Armona Road. That will take more land.

Dairies will be destroyed or crippled because of the loss of their wells, waste water lagoons, buildings, pens and waste water distribution fields. Most dairies have farmland associated with the operation and they would also have the same problems noted in the preceding paragraph.

The subdivision on the north side of East Lacey Boulevard between 7th Avenue and Highway 43 will be affected with houses on its west side being eliminated. It is unknown how many homes would be removed but all of the houses that remain will permanently be adjacent to the track.

Baker Commodities will be destroyed. Baker processes all of the dead large animal carcasses for Kings, Kern and Tulare counties. More than 400 dairies will not have an economic place to move their dead animals to. Baker processes around 200 cows and 500 calves a day. Seven hundred animals times 5 days a week equals 3,500 times 52 weeks equals 182,000 animals are safely disposed of there every year. Where will all the dead animals go? If they redirect around Baker, more dairies will be directly impacted.

Some east-to-west roads will be blocked, and travel routes will be longer for emergency services, school buses and everyone else. The county stands to lose its fire training facility and helicopter pad and all or part of the landfill and waste facility. The county will lose property tax revenues because the affected properties and businesses will be devalued. County services will be complicated because of the impact.

County roads will be damaged during the construction phase of the track because most county roads are not designed for the weight of the construction vehicles that will be using them to deliver millions of tons of dirt to build the track bed. The county will experience thousands of dollars of cost to revise their 2035 general plan and to comply with AB 32 again after the high-speed rail impact is felt.
even '''motherjones''' a far left rag says HSR is a waste of time and money.... especially when it comes to the environment and the effects of global warming

High-Speed Rail Is a Waste of Time and Money – Mother Jones
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snip........
to the west coast project:
The $68 billion project is already running behind schedule and won't be completed until at least 2028. The Los Angeles Times reports that there are still significant political and financial hurdles ahead: The system isn't fully funded yet, some parcels of land within the right-of-way haven't been acquired, and a deal with freight railroads hasn't been worked out yet. There's a very real risk the rail line won't be completed at all.

Meanwhile, the world has only a few short decades to tackle blossoming carbon emissions in time to keep global warming under so-called safe levels, defined as a rise of no more than 2 degrees Celsius. On the world's current carbon emissions trajectory, we'll use up our total carbon budget by 2042. Amtrak's true high-speed rail line in the Northeast corridor, promising three-hour transits between Washington, D.C., and Boston (down from seven hours currently on the Acela), isn't slated for completion until 2040. Time is not on our side.

Given the incredible pressure that global warming is inflicting, we can't waste precious resources on high-speed rail. It's impractical to hope that truly high-speed rail—the kind that will compete with air travel—will arrive in time to do much good.

Instead, limited public transportation funds should be prioritized for climate-friendly projects that will pay off more than high-speed rail in the same time frame. Some options for politicians: 1) Expand the use of upscale electric buses, 2) support self-driving vehicle technology, and 3) regulate airline emissions.

That $68 billion California plans to spend on its high-speed rail system could buy 82,000 state-of-the-art electric buses, 55 times Greyhound's entire nationwide fleet. And they could start operating immediately. Dedicated bus lanes and congestion pricing have done wonders for reducing commute-hell in many cities, like London. There are ways to make intercity bus travel more appealing, too, as evidenced by the expansion of carriers like wifi-enabled MegaBus in recent years. Similar "curbside" buses are the fastest growing mode of intercity transport and are the most carbon-friendly way to travel medium to long distances in the United States.

Self-driving cars would also do wonders for the climate if they can fulfill their promise to virtually eliminate traffic. A recent Columbia University study showed that replacing New York City's fleet of taxis with an optimized swarm of self-driving cars would reduce operating costs (and presumably fuel use) by more than 80 percent. Plus, you'd have to wait only seconds to catch one. Of course, there are significant technical, cultural, and legal hurdles before this vision becomes a reality—but the potential is truly immense.

Short-haul flights, those 400 miles or less, are the single most carbon-intensive activity most of us ever do. The proportion of domestic flights that are short-haul (and thus could hypothetically be replaced with rail or bus travel) has been declining in recent years, thanks in part to a rise in video conferencing and frustration with security procedures. But total miles flown on airlines are still increasing in the United States and booming internationally. High-speed rail would do precious little to slow that growth any time soon. The Environmental Protection Agency is expected to issue new rules pertaining to air travel by 2016. Since planes frequently fly overseas, the EPA is likely to coordinate its rules with the United Nations, which could result in the first-ever emissions standards for newly built aircraft.
Frances HSR.....losing money (just like our Amtrak)
http://www.totalrail.org/2014/02/17/...billion-value/

French auditor calls for smaller TGV network

France faces tough choices over future of TGV



look I love Rail..come from a family of railroaders (and model railroaders too)

but HSR, wont work in our high density areas, and would cause mass destruction of private property even in the low density areas........the only way would be a 50' off the ground system...certainly wouldn't want that missile headed towards me on a derailment
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Old 07-29-2017, 06:28 PM
 
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I'm confused; If Trump has alienated the Republican party on whose coat tails he road into power and he has no hope of convincing Democrats to change their mandates; how does he expect to put any legislative bills through the house?

You cannot run a country on Executive Orders alone as the facility exists for the two sides of the house to unite to over-ride those, does it not?

It seems to me he has successfully turned himself into a figurehead lame-duck president and left the running of the country to whoever crosses the aisle first to negotiate some piece of legislative magic that both sides can agree upon, leaving him out of the equation entirely.

What President in his right mind would set himself up for being left at the curb on prom night?

Have I missed something obvious here?
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Old 07-29-2017, 06:56 PM
 
Location: Fresno, CA
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I do believe he is an independent, to me, of all govt
Mostly independent of all ethics and reason.
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Old 07-29-2017, 07:04 PM
 
Location: Twin Falls Idaho
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actually I guess you miss read my post and the constitution


there are three house (house of reps. house of senate, and the whitehouse).... a bill needs to pass ALL THREE

and to override a veto takes 2/3's of the senate...that would be 67 votes in the senate, and also 2/3's in the HR (about 270)


yes the POTUS is supposed to be limited...but over the years...they have expanded those powers...Wilson, FDR and a few others have added to the Whitehouse powers

look at how Obusha, said he would "go around" congress
OK..fair enough..my point still survives...The country could be run by congress..however unlikely that may be.

If anyone could make that happen---I think Trump could.


How does Congress Override a Presidential Veto? (with pictures)
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Old 07-29-2017, 08:21 PM
 
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Mostly independent of all ethics and reason.


Well you are right on point there!
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Old 07-29-2017, 10:57 PM
 
Location: Free From The Oppressive State
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This week... GOPers Preibus and Spicer are out, Sessions is on Trump's hit list, Trump attacks and threatens GOP Congressmen, they fire back, and Trump brings in his own non-GOP crew. So now we have an independent Presidency with no friends in Congress. And you thought it couldn't get any more weird and dysfunctional.
Would you lefties for once think long and hard why Trump might be doing this. If you could put your stupid hate away for...I'll give you an hour to think long and hard and put the pieces together...maybe it will come clear to you.

There's a very good reason that Trump is doing this.

You are either not paying attention

or

You know damn good and well why but pretending not to know.

Regardless, Trump knows, and he's doing what he's doing for a very, very good reason.

If you get your information from sources other than Facebook and CNN, you should know why he's doing this.
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Old 07-29-2017, 11:01 PM
 
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Priebus and Spicer were both "party first," so they're out.

Trump has surrounded himself with people who put thwir loyalty to Trump before party/country.
Wrong. He surrounds himself with those who put country before party. And that's exactly as it should be.
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Old 07-29-2017, 11:05 PM
 
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Wrong. He surrounds himself with those who put country before party. And that's exactly as it should be.
Ha! This has to be a comedy routine, right?? (unless by "country" you meant Russia).
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Old 07-29-2017, 11:05 PM
 
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Would you lefties for once think long and hard why Trump might be doing this. If you could put your stupid hate away for...I'll give you an hour to think long and hard and put the pieces together...maybe it will come clear to you.

There's a very good reason that Trump is doing this.

You are either not paying attention

or

You know damn good and well why but pretending not to know.

Regardless, Trump knows, and he's doing what he's doing for a very, very good reason.

If you get your information from sources other than Facebook and CNN, you should know why he's doing this.
Trump has no idea what he is doing...thus all the chaos. Believe all the fantasies you want. All the info you need is to read Trumps tweets, that tells it all.
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