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Old 08-16-2015, 04:38 PM
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The dollar amount is what one would call middle class in NYC.
Far beyond middle class. $150,000/yr. for one person is low earth orbit for NYC.
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Old 08-16-2015, 04:39 PM
 
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De Blasio is a disaster for NYC, sending it back in time, what a shame and this is coming from an Obama supporter.
What past time period are you referring to? NYC is more expensive than ever to live in requiring people to make top dollar just to afford neighborhoods that were once bad neighborhoods.
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Old 08-16-2015, 04:40 PM
 
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Far beyond middle class. $150,000/yr. for one person is low earth orbit for NYC.
Then you have never tried to live in NYC. That is still middle class there.
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Old 08-16-2015, 04:41 PM
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What past time period are you referring to? NYC is more expensive than ever to live in requiring people to make top dollar just to afford neighborhoods that were once bad neighborhoods.
Her peers double, triple, quadruple up with housemates in Williamsburg and Crown Heights and Park Slope, and work non-profit and service sector jobs. Help from the 'rents. They're saving nothing.
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Old 08-16-2015, 04:43 PM
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Then you have never tried to live in NYC. That is still middle class there.
I live in NYC now.
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Old 08-16-2015, 04:44 PM
 
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Her peers double, triple, quadruple up with housemates in Williamsburg and Crown Heights and Park Slope, and work non-profit and service sector jobs. Help from the 'rents. They're saving nothing.
Um, okay.....so basically you are complaining because a liberal is making a decent paying job in NYC.....I have a feeling this isn't the real reason for this thread.
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Old 08-16-2015, 04:45 PM
 
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I live in NYC now.
Sure you do. based on your post history on this site, I am betting you live in the Dallas metro, not the NYC or the NYC metro.
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Old 08-16-2015, 04:49 PM
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Um, okay.....so basically you are complaining because a liberal is making a decent paying job in NYC.....I have a feeling this isn't the real reason for this thread.
You are absolutely clueless about income-to-COL in NYC. Exactly how many people do you think hold positions that pay remotely even mid five-figures in the region? If they have jobs.
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Old 08-16-2015, 04:52 PM
 
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You are absolutely clueless about income-to-COL in NYC. Exactly how many people do you think hold positions that pay even mid five-figures in the region?
Probably more than you think, I also know you need to make 40 times your rent if you want to rent a place in NYC. Though you would know that if you actually lived there.
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Old 08-16-2015, 05:02 PM
 
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What past time period are you referring to? NYC is more expensive than ever to live in requiring people to make top dollar just to afford neighborhoods that were once bad neighborhoods.
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I hope you're right. I've heard too many people being supportive of DeBlasio explicitly because they want him to make the city a worse place to live again (in so many words) in the hope that it will drive down rent and roll back gentrification; that plus incumbency makes me concerned he'll win the next Democratic primary again and a Republican/Independent politician needs incredible luck and popularity to win in this city whoever the competition is. Best case scenario a competent centrist like Quinn (who probably would have made a third good mayor, alas) unseats him in the primary or runs as an independent and the Republicans get out of the way.
This is exactly the kind of thing I mean and am afraid of. People who say, well, the current NYC is worse because it's more expensive and that they support DeBlasio and let it hang there and it's pretty transparently an endorsement of making NYC dirtier, higher crime, more uncontrolled nuisances (police are being much less aggressive about enforcing rules against bums, breakdancers, beggers, musicians and so forth in the subway and it shows; ditto public urination, and so forth. Sanitation has been missing part of the garbage pickup more frequently, and I could go on.), and so forth in an attempt to drive transplants and the kids of the people who fled for the suburbs in the 70s/80s back out of the city.

Yeah the sky-high rent sucks but let's be real in all other ways the city is objectively better than it was before Bloomberg/Giuliani; but people who can't afford the rent or buying stuff in the newer, nicer retail that's opened/opening would rather things get worse again -- which is deplorable and need to be actively fought against but is understandable.

Edit: Also come on arguing that $150K is middle class in NYC is a joke. It's very solidly upper-middle class and triple the median household income. Now, the upper-middle class in NYC can't afford to raise a family in the manner that the middle class anywhere else in the country would expect, but NYC being a city for the rich, the poor, and/or the childless has been a thing for decades now.

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