Seriously, don't let these fools write more legislation (Congress, legal, lawyers)
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Remember the Pelosi quote concerning the healthcare bill, I'm paraphrasing: "We need to pass the bill to see what's in it."
Now we have Sen. Christopher Dodd (D-Conn.), chairman of the Senate Banking Committee speaking out about the the financial reform bill: "No one will know until this is actually in place how it works."
This monster is 2,000 pages long, and the characterization by the journalist is not good: "Key House and Senate lawmakers agreed on far-reaching new financial rules early Friday after weeks of division, delay and frantic last-minute deal making."
We need to prevent these fools from writing any new legislation. Many of these lawmakers have been in Washington for over twenty years, and it has been these fools that have sheparded our current debt and banking crisis. So why should we let them do any more damage? Let them get voted out this November, and maybe a less partisan, less selfish and less hubris group of lawmakers replace them, and fix up their messes.
Yeah this junk is past getting out of hand. This (I want to cuss) This stuff of them passing bills without reading them or knowing what affect they will have on our lives is reason enough to fire them.
Remember the Pelosi quote concerning the healthcare bill, I'm paraphrasing: "We need to pass the bill to see what's in it."
Now we have Sen. Christopher Dodd (D-Conn.), chairman of the Senate Banking Committee speaking out about the the financial reform bill: "No one will know until this is actually in place how it works."
This monster is 2,000 pages long, and the characterization by the journalist is not good: "Key House and Senate lawmakers agreed on far-reaching new financial rules early Friday after weeks of division, delay and frantic last-minute deal making."
We need to prevent these fools from writing any new legislation. Many of these lawmakers have been in Washington for over twenty years, and it has been these fools that have sheparded our current debt and banking crisis. So why should we let them do any more damage? Let them get voted out this November, and maybe a less partisan, less selfish and less hubris group of lawmakers replace them, and fix up their messes.
Lucky for all of us, the Dodd fool will be gone from the Senate for good. The problem is they don't write the legislation, they have the Obama groups doing it for them. That's why they don't know what's in the bills they vote on. We may as well send squirrels (that aren't crossing the Squirrel Bridge) to Capitol Hill. The only time they come alive is when they can get movie stars and rock stars in to testify as subject matter experts.
What is this fixation that some have? Legislation on very complex issues, will result in many pages. As Pelosi accurately pointed out, those who do not take the time and effort to read what is in a package, will have to wait to see what is in it. As far as the Financial package is concerned, Dodd is quite right, we will have to see how the institutions deal with it. As with the HC Law, the Financial reform will evolve over time.
Here is one reason Dodd says no one will know, because these fools are letting some unaccountable nameless group of people write and enforce rules:
A new consumer protection bureau housed in the Federal Reserve would have independent funding, an independent leader and near-total autonomy to write and enforce rules. The government would have broad new powers to seize and wind down large, failing financial firms and to oversee the $600-trillion derivatives market. In addition, a council of regulators, headed by the Treasury secretary, would monitor the financial landscape for potential systemic risks.
Treasury Secretary Timothy F. Geithner said in a statement early Friday. "It will offer families the protections they deserve, help safeguard their financial security and give the businesses of American access to the credit they need to expand and innovate."
That's all well and good, Tim, but it also sounds like the congress is outsourcing their responsibilities. How is it constitutional to allow unelected bureaucrats write and enforce financial laws and cease private property?
Here's the irony, I'm asking the current crop of fools in the legislature to stop writing laws, ans at the same time asking them to take on their responsibility to write our laws. So here they are, writing laws to give a new consumer protection bureau the authority to write laws for them.
What is this fixation that some have? Legislation on very complex issues, will result in many pages. As Pelosi accurately pointed out, those who do not take the time and effort to read what is in a package, will have to wait to see what is in it. As far as the Financial package is concerned, Dodd is quite right, we will have to see how the institutions deal with it. As with the HC Law, the Financial reform will evolve over time.
Maybe because they try to do too much all at once, it's 2,000 pages.
If the wheels fell off the wagon you might design better wheels and the device that keeps them on the axle. But these guys are breeding new horses, gene splicing new trees for the wood, and redrawing the roads, complete with a new union of coachmen, who can shoot your horse if they think your wagon looks rickety.
To frame the content of your post, legislator Clyburn from Texas displayed incredulity at the thought of reading the the healthcare bill. He stated he would need a team of lawyers to interpret it and it would take too much time. Can the voters who elected him not feel embarassed for theri choice?
This is the stuff that should immediately invalidate this legislation.
The electorate has been disenfranchised, diminished and made irrelevant! The legislative practices of the people we elected to represent us, reveal a total lack of interest, working knowledge and common sense in pursuit of our interests.
Nancy Pelosi has provided a wellspring of quotes ranging from a myopic view of dangerous protestation to admonishing people for believing what is said on the campaign trail.
We have no intelligent representation in Washington. All we have is a close knit club of lawyers speaking a foreign legal language in front of us to discuss topics they don't want us to hear.
Transparency has come to mean the uninhibited in your face corruption, thinly disguised as interpretive legal maneuvering. Back rooms are no longer need to conduct quid pro quo lucrative business deals for our legislators. We have been determined by them to be powerless and too stupid to do anything about it.
Guitner, Frank, Bernanke, Dodd, etc. the federally appointed watchdogs who fell asleep on their watch to prevent economic turmoil, remain untouched and continue to run the ship repeatedly back onto the rocks.
Do nothing until these guys are run out of town. Imagine going after the AIG guys who received bonuses from their bosses, instead of going after these sleeping watchdogs!
Imagine, leaving these same men in place and giving them greater positions of power!
Obama and Holder condeming the AZ law without reading it, speaks volumes and defines an administration and legislative body which has reached the zenith of disregard for the electorate.
Make no mistake, both parties are complicit. It is just now, that in the face of campaign promises of transparency and change in the way business is conducted, the Obama administration has far exceded the threshold of dis-respect for the electorate and has caused such widespeard outrage.
Prevent them..the voters sent many of them BACK to DC they were so happy.
The primaries just proved that they still love the incumbents.
So, that tells me that the majority of voters WANT what's going on to continue.
Why is beyond me but they do.
They vote them back in because no one holds them accountable, They pass these insane laws, and then blame the tragic results on the next president and his political party. The legislatures skip the blame, and run on how bad the other candidate and his party is, and the drones vote them back in.
I don't know... from what I read from the MSM about the bill (which, I admit, doesn't cover everything in detail)... it looks pretty good... I am actually happy about the progress and what's visibly in the bill so far... Ironically, I am "For" this Wall Street Reform Bill (it's an actual real life "reform" bill... the FIRST one of its kind since Obama took over)...
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