Should the Philadelphia MSA change it name? (Allentown, York: neighborhoods, university)

[gwillyfromphilly]

Since the New York MSA changed it's name from the "New York-Newark-Long Island MSA" to the New York-Northern New Jersey-Long Island MSA", do you think the Philly area should do the same thing and changed its MSA name from the "Philadelphia-Camden-Wilmington MSA" to the "Philadelphia-Southern New Jersey-Northern Delaware MSA"?

[ElijahAstin]

Originally Posted by gwillyfromphilly

Since the New York MSA changed it's name from the "New York-Newark-Long Island MSA" to the New York-Northern New Jersey-Long Island MSA", do you think the Philly area should do the same thing and changed its MSA name from the "Philadelphia-Camden-Wilmington MSA" to the "Philadelphia-Southern New Jersey-Northern Delaware MSA"?

Changing "Camden" to "Southern New Jersey" makes sense, given that South Jersey's sociocultural "nexus" is now somewhere in the Cherry Hill-Voorhees-Evesham-Mt. Laurel corridor. But unlike South Jersey, Wilmington remains New Castle County's decided social and cultural center. Therefore, I'd keep the "Wilmington" designation.

[rotodome]

What governing body actually decides these things? Is there a method to it?
Doesn't matter one way or other to me.

[mancat100]

I just wish "Delaware Valley" would go away.

[rainrock]

Originally Posted by gwillyfromphilly

Since the New York MSA changed it's name from the "New York-Newark-Long Island MSA" to the New York-Northern New Jersey-Long Island MSA", do you think the Philly area should do the same thing and changed its MSA name from the "Philadelphia-Camden-Wilmington MSA" to the "Philadelphia-Southern New Jersey-Northern Delaware MSA"?

If you divvied up metro Philly and ranked them categorically in order of economic importance I would say PA suburbs, Philadelphia, then South Jersey and Delaware are pretty evenly matched although more people live in South Jersey.

Philadelphia- Southeast Pennsylvania-South Jersey- Delaware. Would be appropriate. Losing the negative aura of Camden and even Wilmington isnt a bad idea at all. Camden has 75,000 poor people and is annually listed as the most dangerous city in America- no need to highlight this area, whereas South Jersey has 1.5 M of diverse means , so yeah Camden has been rendered obsolete over the past 75 years. Ditto with Wilmington(to a much lesser extent) in regards to New Castle County.

This may be overkill but how about from a pure public relations angle:

Philadelphia-Philadelphia's Countryside-South Jersey-Brandywine Valley DE.

[avg12]

Originally Posted by HeavenWood

Changing "Camden" to "Southern New Jersey" makes sense, given that South Jersey's sociocultural "nexus" is now somewhere in the Cherry Hill-Voorhees-Evesham-Mt. Laurel corridor. But unlike South Jersey, Wilmington remains New Castle County's decided social and cultural center. Therefore, I'd keep the "Wilmington" designation.

Camden still is the public transportation hub of South Jersey, with RiverLine, Patco and the NJ Transit bus network for SJ feeding into it. Only the NJ Transit AC Line doesn't, but that's more of a regional line run so that Philly residents gamble in AC. Apparently more people come from NY/Northern NJ suburbs into AC than Philadelphia suburbs to AC, even though there is no dedicate rail link from NY/Northern NJ to AC.

I don't think Cherry Hill-Mt.Laurel is the nexus, but it's one. Gloucester County has it's own retailers, businesses and Rowan University.

Another issue is 3 counties: Cumberland, Atlantic and Cape May, which are very much South Jersey, aren't part of the Philadelphia MSA, although Cumberland is part of the CSA.

New York MSA includes all of the Northern NJ counties with the exception of one, which belongs to Allentown.

If Philly could strengthen its ties with AC somehow to combine into 1 MSA or CSA, it'd make more sense to give the MSA or CSA the broader term of Philadelphia-Southern NJ.

[rainrock]

Originally Posted by avg12

Camden still is the public transportation hub of South Jersey, with RiverLine, Patco and the NJ Transit bus network for SJ feeding into it. Only the NJ Transit AC Line doesn't, but that's more of a regional line run so that Philly residents gamble in AC. Apparently more people come from NY/Northern NJ suburbs into AC than Philadelphia suburbs to AC, even though there is no dedicate rail link from NY/Northern NJ to AC.

I don't think Cherry Hill-Mt.Laurel is the nexus, but it's one. Gloucester County has it's own retailers, businesses and Rowan University.

Another issue is 3 counties: Cumberland, Atlantic and Cape May, which are very much South Jersey, aren't part of the Philadelphia MSA, although Cumberland is part of the CSA.

New York MSA includes all of the Northern NJ counties with the exception of one, which belongs to Allentown.

If Philly could strengthen its ties with AC somehow to combine into 1 MSA or CSA, it'd make more sense to give the MSA or CSA the broader term of Philadelphia-Southern NJ.

Population should supercede transit hubs. The population of Canden is approx 75,000. The population of South Jersey(Philly MSA) is around 1.5 M. Camden represents 0.05 % of South Jersey. Look this isnt 1940 anymore when Camden was the shining star of South Jersey and Cherry Hill and Haddonfield were corn fields. Time to give Camden the boot in regards to representing part of this region.

[pman]

wilmington may have its problems but if you equate it to camden you clearly haven't been there. they still have employment, a well used train station, and signs of life downtown, as well as some decent neighborhoods

[ElijahAstin]

Originally Posted by pman

wilmington may have its problems but if you equate it to camden you clearly haven't been there. they still have employment, a well used train station, and signs of life downtown, as well as some decent neighborhoods

Wilmington has a very strong corporate sector.

[soug]

Originally Posted by rainrock

Philadelphia- Southeast Pennsylvania-South Jersey- Delaware.

Interesting that you are separating the PA burbs here. A couple weeks ago in a different thread I brought up the thought that when the media says "Philly Jersey Delaware," are they including the PA burbs as part of "Philly" or are they excluding it altogether. Of course, you kind of just assume that they are included, but maybe adding SEPA to the metro area name would add another layer of identity to Bucks, Montco, etc.