[eddie gein]

Originally Posted by swake

The flags weren't kicked, out, the students had the flags on metal poles. The school didn't want metal poles in the crowd.

Dumb right wing overreaction to half true news can end now. (but it likely won't)

This is interesting. When Ole Miss was trying to temper their "Rebel" image they did something just like this. Through the years, many southern schools waved Confederate flags at their ball games but nobody did like Ole Miss. Colonel Rebel, Dixie, Ole Miss was steeped in the confederate traditions.

At one point they made a "block M" looking flag with stars inside the M making it look somewhat like the stars and bars. But it didn't work. The fans kept bringing Rebel flags into the games.

So Ole Miss banned flag poles and solved the problem.

[bawac34618]

Originally Posted by sheena12

America is big enough for both of us, and all of us. And Christianity is not a "state religion". State mandated religions were one of the reasons why people came to America. To practice the religion of their choice - or no religion at all.

Sometimes it's hard to believe that when you live in Oklahoma. Fundamentalist Baptist theology permeates all aspects of life and government here much in the same way the Mormon church has control over Utah. Oklahoma is probably as close as you can get to a theocracy in the U.S. and still be constitutional.

As for this thread, it gave me a nice chuckle. Oklahoma is the reddest of the red states. This is the only state in the entire country that doesn't have a single liberal enclave and not a single county has voted for a Democrat since 2000. This is the state where Obama was greeted by Confederate flags.

Oklahoma won't go liberal for another 50 years if that. Progress here will be getting to the point where liberals merely have a voice. Progress will be getting more Republicans elected who hold to traditional conservative economic principles but also believe in separation of church and state (instead of the 'Patriot Pastors' running things now).

[Mattie Jo]

If all counties have been Republican why did Bernie Sanders get most of the votes in Cherokee Co?

[Mattie Jo]

Originally Posted by sheena12

1. I don't think that they "banned the American Flag". It's the FLAG POLLS that were of concern. At a foot ball game.

2. I am a liberal progressive Christian and a "salt of the earth, loyal American type" who contributes to charities that help veterans, sends greeting cards to soldiers at Walter Reed at Christmas time, and has a house festooned with American flag buntings. I live in Ohio. A pretty moderate state, and I am happy here.

3. My dad, a former Marine, Koran conflict vet, and a Republican - old school type, does not question my loyalty to America, nor does he question weather or not I or anyone who disagrees with him is a "loyal American". Why should you? I have a nephew in the US Navy right now, and two other relatives in the Air Force.

4. Loyal Americans live is Massachusetts and Mississippi, North Carolina and Nebraska, Hawaii and Alaska. Florida, Michigan, Texas, Minnesota, Maine, California, Indiana, New York, and Oregon.

And Oklahoma and Ohio.

And in the rest of the states I did not mention. There is no one region, party, or state, that "corners the market" on loyalty and patriotism. People display their patriotism in a variety of ways.

Peaceful protest, and being critical of our country at times is part of that. As is flag waving, buntings and parades.

"This Land is Your Land, This Land is My Land".... Woody Guthrie. Come to think of it, wasn't he from Oklahoma?

America is big enough for both of us, and all of us. And Christianity is not a "state religion". State mandated religions were one of the reasons why people came to America. To practice the religion of their choice - or no religion at all.

Great Post

[sheena12]

Originally Posted by Mattie Jo

Great Post

I wrote "KOREAN" not "KORAN". I'm sure of it. Oh boy. Lol!

[DutchessCottonPuff]

Originally Posted by _redbird_

You are right, I am sure there are people who would be called liberal. I am sick of the way people say the word liberal the way white people use to say the N word. All that blame game is sickening.

Same here . I agree with you 100% .
If Oklahoma was a little more liberal I would love to go back .
Jesus wept , they had no money for schools and thought they were doing great .
In the town where the farm I worked for was located, we had ONE black foster child. Why OKC DHS would do that to this child was beyond me as the town did not observe MLK day and instead openly called it N_____ day in front of him - I KNOW as I sat by him at breakfast that day. I was shocked and embarrassed .

I had to be there 3 years due to my job ( tending to racing horses) and loved the farm . It was away far enough that no one bothered me --- but the schools !!! At that time ( the 90's) they divided the state into 4 quadrants and had ONE tester for each quadrant for anything out of the ordinary if a learning disability was suspected .
I had a dyslexic kindergartner who was on an 18 month waiting list to see the tester so he could get help . Their answer was to place him into a THIRD year of K5 until the tester finally got to him meanwhile he could color while the other kids learned. He had to have the tester certify him before he could go to any special ed classes or get any special ed assistance.

I even offered to PAY for private testing in OKC and for whatever reason they said no/wouldn't accept it . So I left .
He is an RN in the Navy now and is very good at his job. Thank goodness I didn't wait for the tester . Sure was peaceful and cheap there though .

[Howest2008]

Originally Posted by _redbird_
You are right, I am sure there are people who would be called liberal. I am sick of the way people say the word liberal the way white people use to say the N word. All that blame game is sickening.

Originally Posted by DutchessCottonPuff

Same here . I agree with you 100% .
If Oklahoma was a little more liberal I would love to go back .
Jesus wept , they had no money for schools and thought they were doing great .
In the town where the farm I worked for was located, we had ONE black foster child. Why OKC DHS would do that to this child was beyond me as the town did not observe MLK day and instead openly called it N_____ day in front of him - I KNOW as I sat by him at breakfast that day. I was shocked and embarrassed .

I had to be there 3 years due to my job ( tending to racing horses) and loved the farm . It was away far enough that no one bothered me --- but the schools !!! At that time ( the 90's) they divided the state into 4 quadrants and had ONE tester for each quadrant for anything out of the ordinary if a learning disability was suspected .
I had a dyslexic kindergartner who was on an 18 month waiting list to see the tester so he could get help . Their answer was to place him into a THIRD year of K5 until the tester finally got to him meanwhile he could color while the other kids learned. He had to have the tester certify him before he could go to any special ed classes or get any special ed assistance.

I even offered to PAY for private testing in OKC and for whatever reason they said no/wouldn't accept it . So I left .
He is an RN in the Navy now and is very good at his job. Thank goodness I didn't wait for the tester . Sure was peaceful and cheap there though .

Yeah...Yesh it's peaceful and cheap....when you leave OKC and Tulsa OK...and they stop calling AA....
.....Ni66ers or is that SREGGIN.........LOL.

[StillwaterTownie]

Originally Posted by sheena12

America is big enough for both of us, and all of us. And Christianity is not a "state religion". State mandated religions were one of the reasons why people came to America. To practice the religion of their choice - or no religion at all.

Oklahoma is the way it is because its first settlers wanted to get the hell out of states they thought were too liberal to live in. Surely, many Baptists couldn't stand to live in Missouri, due to its loose alcohol laws. Yet, more Christian conservatives desired to move to Oklahoma when it became a state and very soon banned alcohol.

[flyingcat2k]

Originally Posted by StillwaterTownie

Oklahoma is the way it is because its first settlers wanted to get the hell out of states they thought were too liberal to live in. Surely, many Baptists couldn't stand to live in Missouri, due to its loose alcohol laws. Yet, more Christian conservatives desired to move to Oklahoma when it became a state and very soon banned alcohol.

Actually, prohibition started in Indian Territory in 1836. Once the territory of Oklahoma was created (White settlers living on former Indian lands), Oklahoma Territory was wet. It was the Anti-Saloon League which brought about prohibition when it was tacked on to the document that eventually became the first Oklahoma constitution. The ASL was a Kansas creation. This makes sense given that Missouri was separated from Oklahoma Territory by the Rump of Indian Territory.

Prohibition | Encyclopedia of Oklahoma History and Culture

Baptists and Oral Roberts are partially responsible for keeping Oklahoma dry for years after the 21st Amendment. To me, it was a leading reason that the oil industry HQ's left Tulsa in the '60s when county option passed in Texas.

Oklahoma isn't going liberal but the eastern half is certainly not eager for Trump.

[DutchessCottonPuff]

Originally Posted by Howest2008

Originally Posted by _redbird_
You are right, I am sure there are people who would be called liberal. I am sick of the way people say the word liberal the way white people use to say the N word. All that blame game is sickening.






Yeah...Yesh it's peaceful and cheap....when you leave OKC and Tulsa OK...and they stop calling AA....
.....Ni66ers or is that SREGGIN.........LOL.

This was in Stratford, Oklahoma, which is a long way from the city . Not sure what you mean with the rest . I only went to OKC for the DR ( gastro specialist at OU) and to see the Stones and Aerosmith there one year. .