Homicides increasing in many Ohio cities (Cleveland, Cincinnati: crime rate, unemployment, statistics)

[CitySlickerFuego]

im not surprised at all, really

[bjimmy24]

The violence in Cleveland is really really bad though, people. It's shocking how violent this place is. We are- objectively - much worse than almost every other major city. This cannot simply be ignored.

[CitySlickerFuego]

Originally Posted by bjimmy24

The violence in Cleveland is really really bad though, people. It's shocking how violent this place is. We are- objectively - much worse than almost every other major city. This cannot simply be ignored.

yep *heavy sigh*

[QCongress83216]

Originally Posted by 1watertiger

Your first paragraph is definitely a rant. Along with your personal opinions on other peoples words. You’re assuming a lot and putting words in my mouth.
And I never said white on white crime didn’t exist. Or Hispanic on Hispanic crime didn’t exist. But some black on black crime in Cleveland is very disproportional. That’s a fact and it should be discussed as a first step in order to find solutions. Cleveland has surpassed the 27 year high with 170 homicides. And yes a handful that where classified homicide were not murder. But Cleveland’s per capita murder rate will probably fall into the number five slot this year. Only behind St. Louis, Baltimore, Detroit and New Orleans.
Suggestions or Solutions? Maybe the fathers, uncles, grandfathers community organizers and leaders along with church pastors stand vigil at Main Street corners. It may have to be 24 hours around the clock until the dope boys realize it’s not gonna happen on the street or block.
Maybe set up police mini stations again in certain neighborhoods with officers walking the beat in high crime areas.
We already fund millions of dollars for all children to attend school with daycare and food provided. We already have free education/college grant money for the underprivileged. We already provide housing vouchers and low income rent to people that may be disadvantaged. There’s really no stopping anyone that wants to pursue the American dream. But this high violent crime in Cleveland is holding thousands of people back.

"Black-on-black crime" is sensationalized by the media, locally and nationally, to paint the narrative that black people are the most violent people on the planet. And, they also use it as a tool to say we shouldn't talk about police brutality. You can tell how they frame it. When white people do crimes against each other; it's reflected upon the individual. When black people do crimes against each; it's reflected upon the black community as a whole.

Also, the city needs economic solutions as well, a lot of this crime is related to poverty (i.e. drugs, robbery). Not saying it's an excuse just saying it's reality. When people are around that environment and see no hope, they turn to crime. So, jobs has to be added in order to curb this issue.

[QCongress83216]

Originally Posted by bjimmy24

The violence in Cleveland is really really bad though, people. It's shocking how violent this place is. We are- objectively - much worse than almost every other major city. This cannot simply be ignored.

Never said or thought that it should be ignored and I definitely think it should be addressed. I say let's talk about it within the context of solutions. We already know the problem now let's go about fixing the problem. Some people (not saying you) who constantly mention every homicide(s) that happens every day is counterproductive.

For example, when the women of "The Bachelor" came to Cleveland last year to shoot their episode someone on Twitter tweeted, "I hope they don't get shot" and mentioning a certain number of homicides as if they were gonna venture off on St. Clair or Buckeye. It's like throwing a backhanded comment at the city ("Welcome to Cleveland, glad you came, we have a lot of homicides here"). That type of stuff paints that all of Cleveland is a war zone and there's no safe areas, and it makes its own residents to be afraid to step out in their own city. That's why I said, in a previous post, that it kind of contributes to the narrative of Clevelanders having an inferiority complex.

[Cleveland_Collector]

There are areas that are high crime, no doubt. There are areas of every city that are high crime. However, the violent crime in Cleveland occurs in very concentrated areas. Yes, more must be done. But, we all need to stop painting the city with the broad brush that much of the media does. We are really no different than any other major city and, given that the nuclear area is a relatively small footprint, the problem on paper appears to be worse than it really is. If we were talking Cuyahoga County, it would be a different story altogether. However, Cuyahoga County is one of the safer larger counties in the country in terms of violent crime.

[ohioaninsc]

Beef up police presence in the bad areas...more patrols...both in vehicle and walking...Police presence in those neighborhoods needs to be constant...that way the residents can actually feel safe.

[QCongress83216]

Originally Posted by ohioaninsc

Beef up police presence in the bad areas...more patrols...both in vehicle and walking...Police presence in those neighborhoods needs to be constant...that way the residents can actually feel safe.

Also, you have to create some economic development in those areas as well such as small businesses. Most of these crimes are motivated by poverty (not saying that it's the end all, be all), and a lot of these murders are either drug-related or robberies gone wrong. While the others are just sickening and senseless. So, when you have communities/neighborhoods with a pretty solid ecomonic base, crime isn't so prevelant.

[Cleveland_Collector]

Economic prosperity is far and away the best solution to violent crime in an area. The problem is, most of the people we're talking about are usually displaced rather than being included. The solution to that is education and youth mentoring, i.e., indicating that they are meant to be included in the prosperity rather than simply moved to a different landfill. The cycle of poverty is only broken when all facets of it are dealt with equally.

[QCongress83216]

Originally Posted by Cleveland_Collector

Economic prosperity is far and away the best solution to violent crime in an area. The problem is, most of the people we're talking about are usually displaced rather than being included. The solution to that is education and youth mentoring, i.e., indicating that they are meant to be included in the prosperity rather than simply moved to a different landfill. The cycle of poverty is only broken when all facets of it are dealt with equally.

I'm just talking about having a stable economy. I agree that there also needs to be better schools and mentorships in these communities.