2016 Ohio Population Estimates. (Columbus, Cleveland, Cincinnati: apartment, condo, home)

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by Natural510

The metro size of the three are all comparable at this point with Columbus' in-fill skyrocketing. Annexation hasn't taken place for a long time so that's not the reason for population increase.

People will just continue to ignore the point about annexation being very low because it doesn't fit the popular narrative. Also ignored is that the city's population density in 218 square miles is already above that of Cincinnati's 78, and rapidly closing the gap on Cleveland's 77. For a city derided as so "suburban", it's development patterns are much denser than it's given credit for.


As to the level of infill construction, here's just a partial list of projects currently under construction.

2017 Renovation Office- 555 W. Nationwide Blvd.- Power Substation Conversion- $5 Million- Unknown
2017- New Hotel- 5000 Upper Metro Place- Hilton Hotel- Unknown- Unknown
http://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2014/09/29/home2-suites-by-hilton-planned-for-metro-place-in.html
2017- Renovation Mixed-Use- 457-459 N. High Street- Yankee Trader Building 2- Unknown
http://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2016/02/22/another-part-of-yankee-trader-complex-targeted-for.html
2017- New Residential- 1414 Broadview Avenue- Broadview Apartments- Unknown- 64 Units- 3 Stories
http://www.columbusunderground.com/work-to-start-soon-on-64-unit-apartment-building-near-grandview-avenue-bw1
2017- New Office- 402 N. Hamilton Road- Heartland Bank HQ- $10 Million- 2 Stories
http://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2016/03/16/heartland-bank-picks-new-city-for-corporate.html
2017- Renovation Residential- 390-392 E. Town Street- Townhome Project- $1.14 Million- 4 Units
http://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2015/12/16/drexel-theatre-microapartments-among-5-projects.html
2017- New Infrastructure- Wilson Road- Camp Chase Trail Bike Hub- Unknown
http://www.thisweeknews.com/content/stories/west/news/2014/09/19/plans-in-motion-for-bike-trail-hub-for-west-side.html
2017- New Mixed-Use- 94 N. High Street, Dublin Bridge Street Corridor- Bridge Park West- $42 Million- 42 Units- 7 Stories
http://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/blog/2014/05/first-look-office-condo-project-in-downtown-dublin.html
2017- New Residential- 21 Jeffrey Park- Jeffrey Park expansion- Unknown- 3 Stories- 25 Units
http://www.columbusunderground.com/construction-to-start-soon-on-25-for-sale-townhomes-in-italian-village-bw1
2017- Renovation Mixed-Use- 31-55 W. Long Street- Mixed-Use Project- $18.8 Million- 40 Units
http://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2015/12/16/drexel-theatre-microapartments-among-5-projects.html
2017- New Residential- E. 1st and Mount Pleasant Avenue- Residential Project- Unknown- 2 Units- 3 Stories
http://www.columbusunderground.com/vacant-lot-in-italian-village-may-see-residential-infill
2017- New Office- 109 N. Front Street- Coleman City Government Office Project- $75 Million- 8 Stories
http://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2015/04/28/newest-city-of-columbus-office-building-gets-ok.html
2017- Renovation Mixed-Use- 72-84 N. High Street- The Madison- $14.3 Million- 32 Units
http://www.columbusunderground.com/day-companies-purchases-long-vacant-madisons-building
2017- New Residential- E. Gay east of Normandy- Bishop’s Walk Phase II- Unknown- 26 Units- 3 Stories
http://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/blog/2014/05/2nd-phase-of-edwards-bishop-s-walk-condos-priced.html
2017- New Mixed-Use- 330 E. Oak Street- Mixed-Use Project- $10 Million- 104 Units- 7 Stories
http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/business/2015/03/26/apartment-building-to-rise-on-factory-site.html
2017- New Residential- E. Long and N. 5th- Neighborhood Launch’s The Neilston- Unknown- 130 Units- 5 Stories
http://www.columbusunderground.com/the-neilston-apartment-building-to-break-ground-in-spring
2017- New Residential- 345 E. Deshler Avenue- Barrett Elementary- $22 Million- 135 Units- 4 Stories
http://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/blog/2015/11/historic-columbus-school-becoming-luxury.html
2017- New Residential- American Addition- Neighborhood Redevelopment- Unknown- 100 Units- 2-3 Stories
2017- New Other- 300 W. Broad Street- Veterans Memorial and Museum- $60 Million- 2 Stories
http://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2014/10/21/vets-memorial-demolition-approved-new-museum-to.html
2017- New Hotel- 382-404 E. Main Street- Home2 Suites Hotel- Unknown- 5 Stories
http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2015/08/25/Apartments-and-hotel-are-planned-for-Downtown.html
2017- New Mixed-Use- SE Corner of Yard Street and Junction Way- The Manchester- Unknown- 123 Units- 5 Stories
http://www.columbusunderground.com/work-starting-on-new-five-story-building-at-grandview-yard-condo-units-selling-bw1
2017- New Other- 150 E. Fulton Street- City Fire Station #2- $8.9 Million- 2 Stories
http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2015/11/02/City_Council_fire_station.html
2017- New Residential- 203 S. High Street- LC at RiverSouth Tower 1- $35 Million- 106 Units- 8 Stories
2017- New Mixed-Use- Riverside Drive, Dublin- Bridge Park Block C- Unknown- 154 Units- 6 Stories
http://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2015/08/11/crawford-hoying-ready-to-move-on-bridge-park-with.html
2017- New Mixed-Use- Riverside Drive, Dublin- Bridge Park Block B- Unknown- 228 Units- 6 Stories
http://www.columbusunderground.com/construction-to-begin-this-summer-on-eight-mixed-use-buildings-in-dublin
2017- New Residential- S. Washington and South Lane- The Arbor- Unknown- 163 Units- 5 Stories
http://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2016/05/11/163-unit-apartment-complex-planned-for-parsons.html
2017- New Hotel- Riverside Drive and W. Dublin-Granville Road- Bridge Park Block A AC Hotel- Unknown- 8 Stories
http://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2015/10/26/150-room-upscale-hotel-to-anchor-convention.html
2017- New Mixed-Use- Gay Street and N. High- Residential/Garage Project- $50 Million- 230 Units- 6 Stories
http://www.columbusunderground.com/more-apartments-proposed-for-corner-of-long-and-high-downtown-bw1
2017- New Mixed-Use- 930 N. High Street- The Brunner- Unknown- 26 Units- 6 Stories
http://www.columbusunderground.com/updates-on-italian-village-projects-to-go-before-commission-for-review-bw1
2017- Renovation Other- 72 S. Gift Street- Franklinton Post Office-Museum- Unknown
http://columbus.gov/uploadedFiles/Columbus/Departments/Development/Planning_Division/Boards_and_Commissions/East_Franklinton_Review_Board/Meetings/2015/March/2015-3-17_EFRB%20Staff%20Report.pdf
2017- Renovation Infrastructure/Other- Pearl Alley (Downtown)- Retail Makeover- Unknown
http://www.columbusunderground.com/downtown-alley-renovations-planned-for-summer-2016
2017- Expansion Medical- 303 E. Town Street- Grant Hospital- $33.5 Million- 4 Stories
http://www.columbusunderground.com/grant-hospital-plans-downtown-expansion
2017- New Mixed-Use- Hubbard Avenue and Park Street- Hubbard Park Place- Unknown- 110 Units- 7 Stories
http://www.columbusunderground.com/wood-companies-unveils-hubbard-park-place-renderings-bw1
2017: New Mixed-Use- 261 S. Front- The Matan- Unknown- 117 Units- 5 Stories
http://www.columbusunderground.com/the-matan-bw1
2017- New Mixed-Use- N. High and W. 2nd Avenue- White Castle Redevelopment- Unknown- 98 Units- 8 Stories
http://www.columbusunderground.com/short-north-white-castle-development-approved-bw1
2017- New Residential- Burr and Bobcat Avenue, Grandview- 828 at the Yard- Unknown- 35 Units- 5 Stories
http://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2016/05/19/nationwide-realty-adding-condos-at-grandview-yard.html
2017- Renovation Residential- 358 Mt. Vernon Avenue- Residential Project- Unknown- 70 Units
http://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2015/07/27/first-look-another-proposal-put-forward-for.html
2017- New Infrastructure- Cleveland Avenue- Bus Rapid Transit System- $48 Million
http://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2015/02/05/cota-awarded-38m-grant-for-rapid-transit-line.html
2017- New Mixed-Use- 1055 N. High Street- Rebecca Ibel Site- Unknown- 32 Units- 6 Stories
http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/6-story-building-proposed-to-replace-rebecca-ibel-building-in-short-north
2017- New Mixed-Use- N. High between 8th and 9th Avenues- The Highline at Nine- Unknown- 140 Units- 5 Stories
http://www.columbusunderground.com/osu-south-campus-gateway-expansion-bw1
2017- New Residential- 876 S. Front Street- Residential Project- Unknown- 20 Units- 3 Stories
http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/876-s-front-st-old-praxair-site-redevelopment
2017- New Infrastructure- Scioto Peninsula- Garage/Park Project- Unknown
http://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2016/02/18/exclusive620-slot-underground-parking-garage-green.html
2017- New Residential- 180 Wheatland Avenue- Wheatland Crossing- $8.6 Million- 42 Units- 3 Stories
http://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2017/01/26/new-apartment-complex-coming-to-the-hilltop.html
2017- New Mixed-Use- 1163 Summit Street- Burwell Heights- Unknown- 5 Stories- 74 Units
http://www.columbusunderground.com/fifth-and-summit-development-bw1
2017- Renovation/New Residential- 174 Detroit Avenue- Residential Project- Unknown- 31 Units- 3 Stories
2017- Renovation Office- 100 Jefferson Avenue- Office Conversion Project- $1.37 Million
https://development.ohio.gov/files/media/pressrelease/2016.6.28%20-%20Release%20-%20Ohio%20Historic%20Preservation%20Tax%20Credit%2 0Round%2016.pdf
2017- New Other- Liberty and Short Street- Storage Facility- $9 Million- 6 Stories
http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/brewery-district-6-story-self-storage
2017/2018- New Mixed-Use- N. High between 16th and 17th Avenues- The Wellington- Unknown- 170 Units- 6 Stories
http://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2016/01/08/exclusive-445-bed-apartment-project-planned-for.html
2017/2018- New Mixed-Use- 221 S. High Street- LC at RiverSouth Tower 2- Unknown- 137 Units- 10 Stories
http://www.columbusunderground.com/second-lc-riversouth-building-may-rise-up-to-10-stories-tall
2017/2018- New Mixed-Use- 500 W. Broad Street- Mixed-Use Project- Unknown- 241 Units- 5 Stories
http://www.columbusunderground.com/kaufman-announces-five-story-apartment-development-in-franklinton
2018- New Residential- 840 Michigan Avenue- Residential Project- Unknown- 26 Units- 3 Stories
http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/840michiganavenue-redevelopment
2018- Renovation Other- OSU Campus- Mirror Lake Restoration- $4 Million
http://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2016/10/11/ohio-state-renovating-mirror-lake-to-make-it.html
2018- New Mixed-Use- Mt. Vernon Avenue- Poindexter Village Redevelopment- Unknown- 362 Units- 4 Stories
http://www.columbusunderground.com/project-update-poindexter-village-site-bw1
2018- New Mixed-Use- 1525 N. High Street- Mixed-Used Project- Unknown- 95 Units- 6 Stories
http://www.columbusunderground.com/south-campus-taco-bell-bw1
2018- Renovation Mixed-Use- W. Rich and Cherry Drive- Residential/Retail Project- Unknown- 25 Units
http://www.columbusunderground.com/new-mixed-use-buildings-renovation-of-warehouses-planned-for-east-franklinton
2018- New Mixed-Use- W. Rich and Lucas Street- Residential Project- Unknown- 124 Units- 5 Stories
http://columbusight.com/2015/05/18/new-details-revealed-for-major-mixed-use-development-in-franklinton/
2018- New Mixed-Use- W. Rich and Lucas Street- Mixed-Use Project- Unknown- 176 Units- 5 Stories
http://columbusight.com/2015/05/18/new-details-revealed-for-major-mixed-use-development-in-franklinton/
2018- New Residential- Spring Street and Neil Avenue- Parks Edge Phase II- Unknown- 82 Units- 12 Stories
http://www.columbusunderground.com/second-12-story-parks-edge-condo-building-announced-in-arena-district
2018- New Mixed-Use- 1400 N. High Street- Mixed-Use Project- Unknown- 156 Units- 6 Stories
http://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2016/04/18/156-apartments-proposed-on-dollar-tree-site-south.html
2018- New Residential- Jeffrey Park Place- Residential project- Unknown- 273 Units- 3 Stories
http://www.columbusunderground.com/new-proposals-for-jeffrey-park-could-mean-big-changes-for-development
2018- New Mixed-Use- 711 N. High Street- Mixed-Use Project- Unknown- 9 Stories
http://www.columbusunderground.com/new-shorter-design-presented-for-short-north-office-building
2018- New Mixed-Use- 223 E. Town Street- Bluestone Project- $13 Million- 84 Units- 5 Stories
http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2015/08/25/Apartments-and-hotel-are-planned-for-Downtown.html
2018- New Residential- 303 S. Front Street- Unnamed Residential Project- $12 Million- 94 Units- 5 Stories
http://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2015/12/14/94-apartments-now-planned-for-former-nightclub-in.html
2018- New Mixed-Use- Northeast corner of W. Lane Avenue and Tuttle Park Place- Mixed-Use Project- Unknown- 43 Units- 7 Stories
http://www.columbusunderground.com/construction-begins-today-on-new-seven-story-mixed-use-building-on-lane-avenue
2018- New Mixed-Use- 15 E. Lane Avenue- The Wilson- Unknown- 50 Units- Stories
http://www.columbusunderground.com/lane-and-high-development-bw1-2#comment-138148
2018- Renovation Mixed-Use- 677 Parson Avenue- East Public- $2 Million- Unknown
http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2016/11/22/partners-investing-in-area-around-childrens-hospital-say-its-ripe-for-development.html
2018- New/Renovation Mixed-Use- N. High and E. 15th Avenue- OSU Mixed-Use Project- Unknown- Unknown
http://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2015/02/27/ohio-state-planning-mixed-use-15th-and-high.html
2018- New Other- 77 E. Nationwide Blvd- Hilton Garden Inn- $24 Million- 12 Stories
http://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2015/01/14/indus-plans-24m-hilton-garden-inn-on-downtown-site.html
2018/2019- New Mixed-Use- 225 S. 3rd Street- Two25 Project- Unknown- Unknown- 12 Stories
http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/business/2015/03/25/last-park-high-rise-to-celebrate-good-views.html
2018/2019- Renovation/New Residential- 725 Bellows Avenue- Bellows School Project- Unknown- 18+ Units
http://www.columbusunderground.com/renovation-of-bellows-school-underway-despite-i-7071-split-plans-bw1
2018/2019- New Office- Livingston and Parsons- Big Lots Behavioral Science Pavillion- Unknown- 9 Stories
http://www.columbusunderground.com/childrens-hospital-breaks-ground-on-new-nine-story-medical-building-we1

[1watertiger]

Originally Posted by Natural510

The metro size of the three are all comparable at this point with Columbus' in-fill skyrocketing. Annexation hasn't taken place for a long time so that's not the reason for population increase.

Columbus isn't the only city in Ohio building infill like crazy.Cleveland is doing the same if not more downtown than the other two c's. Cleveland has about 15,000 people living downtown with 2000 people on a waiting list.

[Vanderbiltgrad]

Originally Posted by Buckeye614

The amount of urban growth happening in Columbus right now is actually insane. For a mid-sized metro it actually has several attractive neighborhoods as options for urban living (old north columbus, italian village, harrison west, german village/brewery district, olde towne east, short north, arena district, gay street, merion village, university distrct/weinland park, victorian village, parts of Grandview etc.)

I know that people are going to ***** on this post and tell me how much more urban Cleveland and Cincy are. I am not attempting to make a comparison, just saying that if you don't want to live in the suburbs in Columbus than don't live in the burbs or a far out neighborhood.

I love Columbus I try to make up to Columbus as much as I can for Ohio St football games but for living it is not for me, it is a great growing city thou so it is doing a lot of great things.

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by 1watertiger

Columbus isn't the only city in Ohio building infill like crazy.Cleveland is doing the same if not more downtown than the other two c's. Cleveland has about 15,000 people living downtown with 2000 people on a waiting list.

Cleveland's is largely focused in 2 areas- Downtown and UC, with a bit in between. It needs to see that infill spread further across larger sections of the core city, something I think Columbus/Cincinnati are doing a better job at. The list I gave above has projects across the city, and is far from complete. I would've added the planned project list, but it exceeded the character limit.

[bjimmy24]

Originally Posted by jbcmh81

Cleveland's is largely focused in 2 areas- Downtown and UC, with a bit in between. It needs to see that infill spread further across larger sections of the core city, something I think Columbus/Cincinnati are doing a better job at. The list I gave above has projects across the city, and is far from complete. I would've added the planned project list, but it exceeded the character limit.

Ohio city, Tremont, Detroit shoreway too.

Cleveland is lagging behind because of vast ghettos on the east side. Nobody is going to build anything now in most of these areas.

[1watertiger]

Originally Posted by jbcmh81

Cleveland's is largely focused in 2 areas- Downtown and UC, with a bit in between. It needs to see that infill spread further across larger sections of the core city, something I think Columbus/Cincinnati are doing a better job at. The list I gave above has projects across the city, and is far from complete. I would've added the planned project list, but it exceeded the character limit.

As already mentioned, Cleveland has many square miles of ghetto areas. These areas are not going to see any significant investment for decades and are still the reason Cleveland looses population. Cleveland and Columbus are really nothing alike. Columbus is just now growing the past few decades, it hasn't experienced major downturns, poverty, riots or any extreme negatives yet that older cities experienced. But still, Cleveland and its many inner-ring suburbs are older, denser, more urban and served by superior public transportation compared to most of Columbus. Cleveland has been "up" , "down" and on it way up again.
But what Cleveland does have is huge momentum in its downtown ( 54 story nucleus ,34 story at playhouse sq. and 29 story 515 on Euclid ave. apartment buildings already announced) and new development along the lakeshore,Flats, near west side, detroit/shoreway,etc. not to mention university circle. 2000 people currently are on waiting lists to move downtown into apts. or condos as fast as they become available. IMO Downtown Cleveland is much more vibrant on a nightly basis with its 3 pro sports venues, the Flats , playhouse theatres, rock hall , casino and bar/restaurant/fine dining scene etc. , than either Columbus or Cincinnati.

[Nomomo07]

Originally Posted by 1watertiger

As already mentioned, Cleveland has many square miles of ghetto areas. These areas are not going to see any significant investment for decades and are still the reason Cleveland looses population. Cleveland and Columbus are really nothing alike. Columbus is just now growing the past few decades, it hasn't experienced major downturns, poverty, riots or any extreme negatives yet that older cities experienced. But still, Cleveland and its many inner-ring suburbs are older, denser, more urban and served by superior public transportation compared to most of Columbus. Cleveland has been "up" , "down" and on it way up again.
But what Cleveland does have is huge momentum in its downtown ( 54 story nucleus ,34 story at playhouse sq. and 29 story 515 on Euclid ave. apartment buildings already announced) and new development along the lakeshore,Flats, near west side, detroit/shoreway,etc. not to mention university circle. 2000 people currently are on waiting lists to move downtown into apts. or condos as fast as they become available. IMO Downtown Cleveland is much more vibrant on a nightly basis with its 3 pro sports venues, the Flats , playhouse theatres, rock hall , casino and bar/restaurant/fine dining scene etc. , than either Columbus or Cincinnati.

I thought this was a thread on population, not new development?

[bjimmy24]

Originally Posted by Nomomo07

I thought this was a thread on population, not new development?

I think the two are related.

For what it's worth, despite the fact that half of the east side is not likely to rebound any time soon, the development and population increases in downtown (especially the Flats) and Ohio City and University Circle still boggles me. It really does feel like a different city compared to 10 years ago. As long as you don't live in that 50% of the east side, I think most people would recognize Cleveland as an ascendant place. Not that you should ignore the ghettos, but I'm just saying that you see similar Columbus/Cincinnati like progress in Cleveland, albeit not as widespread. Of course, if the east side could by some miracle reverse trajectory, then Cleveland will be a preeminent city once again. It's happened before in other cities, so we can hope. But I still think that's at least 20 years off until we can possibly even think that some places would be desirable for an average person (not an urban pioneer, artist type).

[SenseofPlace]

Originally Posted by Nomomo07

I thought this was a thread on population, not new development?

JBCMH turned it into a development discussion. Look at the lengthy post right at the very top of this page.

I kind of find it funny reading the Columbus posters arguments and how they whine that they are constantly bashed by Cincinnati or Cleveland, but Columbus posters do the same thing towards the other two C's. JBCMH, you're extremely hypocritical when you bash Cleveland like you do. You can deny it all you want, but I have seen it here and on other sites where you bring up Cleveland for no reason even when it's not part of the discussion. Columbus tries to play innocent, but they also don't mind playing the victim either. I like all three cities, and truly are unique compared to what other states have to offer. But Columbus posters need to realize it goes both ways, and you're just as bad as the other C's when it comes to putting down certain cities.

What is your experience with Cincinnati or Cleveland outside of reading development forums? When was the last time you visited? How long? Columbus posters can talk numbers all day long, but how well do you know the cities you're talking about. I bet you really don't know them near as well as what you think other than looking at stats on your computer screen.

[bjimmy24]

Originally Posted by SenseofPlace

JBCMH turned it into a development discussion. Look at the lengthy post right at the very top of this page.

I kind of find it funny reading the Columbus posters arguments and how they whine that they are constantly bashed by Cincinnati or Cleveland, but Columbus posters do the same thing towards the other two C's. JBCMH, you're extremely hypocritical when you bash Cleveland like you do. You can deny it all you want, but I have seen it here and on other sites where you bring up Cleveland for no reason even when it's not part of the discussion. Columbus tries to play innocent, but they also don't mind playing the victim either. I like all three cities, and truly are unique compared to what other states have to offer. But Columbus posters need to realize it goes both ways, and you're just as bad as the other C's when it comes to putting down certain cities.

What is your experience with Cincinnati or Cleveland outside of reading development forums? When was the last time you visited? How long? Columbus posters can talk numbers all day long, but how well do you know the cities you're talking about. I bet you really don't know them near as well as what you think other than looking at stats on your computer screen.

How well do you know Columbus? Just so we hold everyone to the same standard here.

Having just visited Columbus, I was impressed with how active and fun Short North, downtown, Brewery District, German Village have become. They are definitely on par with Cleveland's near west side. I can see reasons why some might prefer the Cleveland neighborhoods and why some might prefer the Columbus neighborhoods (for me personally, I do think Columbus has nothing quite at the level of Ohio City with the market and so many breweries in a row, mixed with several bus routes and red line rapid transit). But these areas of Columbus have definitely gotten better since I lived there last 6 years ago. Columbus has more of a Minneapolis-vibe where Cleveland feels more like Philly (I know that's not a 1:1 by any stretch of the imagination, but that's just how it struck me).

It's been 3 years since I've been to Cincinnati, but I'd really like to go check it out again.