Top 10 States People Are Fleeing...Guess who's #1? (New York, Syracuse: sex offenders, employment)
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What are you asking?? Both links state what they used.
Now I ask you why you say NY has a low cost of living because if you just Goggle that statement you will get a ton of links showing that NY is at or near the worst states COL wise.
I travel all over and no place I have been even comes close to Upstate NY for COL. Ca might, I have not been there.
Cost wise this State is terrible but start adding in other things (it said "least free") and we just blow everyplace else away. Guns?? Forget it only gangbangers can have them. Smoke?? Forget it (one should quit anyway they stink). Avoid Unions?? Like that could ever happen here.
What is this completely based upon and while taxes are an issue, how are so many areas in the state at or below average in overall cost of living?
Did you even read the links? NY is one of the biggest big-government nanny states in the country (along with places like VT, CA etc.)
NYC has pretty much banned trans fats, talking on your phone while driving, and sought to modify behavior by introducing all sorts of taxes including things like a soda tax, as well as passing the highest cigarette tax in the country. Not only that, if you buy any beverage, you pay a 5 cent fee, much of which ends up with the state if you don't return the bottle/can etc. back to the store.
New York is by far the least free state in the Union
(#50 economic, #48 personal). One of us lives in
New York and can attest to the fact that few New
Yorkers would be surprised by such a finding. Sadly,
equally few New Yorkers seem to believe that anything
can be done about the situation. New York has
the highest taxes in the country. Property, selective
sales, individual income, and corporate income
taxes are particularly high. Spending on social services
and “other” is well above national norms. Only
Massachusetts has more government debt as a percentage
of the economy. Government employment
is higher than average. On personal freedoms, gun
laws are extremely restrictive, but marijuana laws
are better than average (while tobacco laws are
extremely strict). Motorists are highly regulated,
but several kinds of gambling are allowed statewide
(not casinos, except on reservations). Home school
regulations are burdensome, but asset forfeiture
has been reformed. Along with Vermont, New York
has the strictest health insurance community rating
regulations. Mandated coverages are also very high.
Eminent domain is totally unreformed. Perversely,
the state strictly limits what grassroots PACs may
give to candidates and parties, but not what corporations
and unions may give.
What's interesting is that most of the "most free" states don't really have much to them and unlike NY, aren't states that are historically entry points for immigrants that bring an array ideas from other countries. There are many ways to view this list.
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Here is a table from New york state that show the tax burdens by locality for the entire state. It looks like the average burden is $25.00 per $1000 of assesed value. The only difference upstate is the lower values home may be assesed at versus downstate which is ridicules. Other states may have food tax (ours is 1.5%) and car tax (less than $200 A year for 3 cars) but it still comes out to less. Throw in Gas taxes, cigarette taxes etc and NY is one of the most expensive states to live in....
What's interesting is that most of the "most free" states don't really have much to them .....
That's the idea. It's not about what the state has and what the state does or how many corporations they can entice .....but what the individual/family has and can do.
In the non-free states, life revolves around the state and corporations, while individuals are just a captive labor force and rewarded according to their participation in the communal affairs of the state and it's corporations.
Since moving from NY to poor, rural KY, my wealth has increased more in the <10 years that I've lived here than in the rest of my life combined, because I am free to pursue many more endeavors; endeavors which are so highly taxed and or regulated in the commie states that the small blue-collar everyman has no real chance to participate in them if starting from scratch.
Give me the freedom......I can prosper.
There is FAR less crime here where every home contains guns than on LI where few have guns (except for the criminals) and where the cops make over $100K a year, and seem to spend more time hassling soccer-moms and other easy marks than they do dealing with real crime.
Here, when I choose to do something...I can do it- rather than applying for permits and paying someone and waiting six months for the commissar's approval. I put a pool in my backyard....it cost me the price of the pool. How many thousands more would it have cost on LI, and how long would it have taken...getting permits...having to hire a licensed contractor to install the electric line (Yes...I did it myself, with no permits or inspections...and yet I live!)...having to put up a certain type of fence or convert your existing fence to "pool standards"? I'd say the cost of obeying the law on LI just to put up an AGP would cost more than the pool itself!
Not sure if I mentioned this in this thread or not...so forgive me if I did...but back on LI I had these customers who were Russian immigrants. One day they came around....not to buy anything, but to say goodbye. They were moving back to Russia. They said they were freer in Russia than in NY- and they were amazed at how much the government interfered in the family in NY. They said crime was also higher in NY than Russia...as were taxes...so what was the advantage to being here?
Here is a table from New york state that show the tax burdens by locality for the entire state. It looks like the average burden is $25.00 per $1000 of assesed value. The only difference upstate is the lower values home may be assesed at versus downstate which is ridicules. Other states may have food tax (ours is 1.5%) and car tax (less than $200 A year for 3 cars) but it still comes out to less. Throw in Gas taxes, cigarette taxes etc and NY is one of the most expensive states to live in....
Of course any state that has high density will be more expensive and NY State's COL varies by where you live. So, even that can vary by region in NY. Keep in mind that many other states have increased or added taxes or fees as well. Even looking at a cost of living calculator, the overall cost of living between many NY State areas and Southern metros is not much different. My brother who lives in the Tidewater area of VA even mentioned that the costs will vary depending upon what you are talking about. Taxes are just one aspect of costs and people need to look at the overall aspects of costs in terms of public and private entities, not just government.
That's the idea. It's not about what the state has and what the state does or how many corporations they can entice .....but what the individual/family has and can do.
In the non-free states, life revolves around the state and corporations, while individuals are just a captive labor force and rewarded according to their participation in the communal affairs of the state and it's corporations.
Since moving from NY to poor, rural KY, my wealth has increased more in the <10 years that I've lived here than in the rest of my life combined, because I am free to pursue many more endeavors; endeavors which are so highly taxed and or regulated in the commie states that the small blue-collar everyman has no real chance to participate in them if starting from scratch.
Give me the freedom......I can prosper.
There is FAR less crime here where every home contains guns than on LI where few have guns (except for the criminals) and where the cops make over $100K a year, and seem to spend more time hassling soccer-moms and other easy marks than they do dealing with real crime.
Here, when I choose to do something...I can do it- rather than applying for permits and paying someone and waiting six months for the commissar's approval. I put a pool in my backyard....it cost me the price of the pool. How many thousands more would it have cost on LI, and how long would it have taken...getting permits...having to hire a licensed contractor to install the electric line (Yes...I did it myself, with no permits or inspections...and yet I live!)...having to put up a certain type of fence or convert your existing fence to "pool standards"? I'd say the cost of obeying the law on LI just to put up an AGP would cost more than the pool itself!
Not sure if I mentioned this in this thread or not...so forgive me if I did...but back on LI I had these customers who were Russian immigrants. One day they came around....not to buy anything, but to say goodbye. They were moving back to Russia. They said they were freer in Russia than in NY- and they were amazed at how much the government interfered in the family in NY. They said crime was also higher in NY than Russia...as were taxes...so what was the advantage to being here?
That says it all.
What I meant by not much to them is that they are sparsely populated, don't offer as much and are pretty monolithic for the most, among other things. There's not much to govern in the Dakotas, Wyoming and most of the top 10 free states(sans Texas and maybe Virginia). Most are not as dense either.
What I meant by not much to them is that they are sparsely populated, don't offer as much and are pretty monolithic for the most, among other things. There's not much to govern in the Dakotas, Wyoming and most of the top 10 free states(sans Texas and maybe Virginia). Most are not as dense either.
I would disagree with your idea that the freer states are so because "there is not much to govern". IL, WA, RI, DE, and especially NV (among others) would qualify as states with not much to govern and sparsely populated outside of a few cities...yet those places are oppressive.
Also, with sparse population, it becomes much easier to control people and to keep tabs on what people are doing. If I were a fugitive, I'd much rather live in the Bronx, where I'd be just one in the crowd of millions...just another guy walking down the street...than a place like this, where I could easily be found and where my neighbor knows everything I do, even though are houses are well over a quarter of a mile apart. If you were to drive in NY with a suspended license....as long as you had valid plates and stickers on your car...no one would know unless you were stopped. Here, with few people, they'd know you by sight.
I also think that one must have personal knowledge in order to even make a determination as to which states are more free or more oppressive. For instance; I strongly disagree VA. being one of the freer states.
And as for crime being higher in the South- that is just farcical. Any statistic which says that would probably arrive at such a statement by including data on victimless crimes- and naturally states in the "bible belt" (unfortunately) would have higher arrests for such things- like here, where people are arrested for public intoxication....or for selling alcohol in dry counties.
If we are talking actual crime though- as in violent random crime.....the South isn't even in the same universe as NY. If your car breaks down here....someone will stop and help you within minutes. In NY, if anybody stops.....you'd likely fear for your life!
Even in the bigger towns and cities here, the types of crimes that we had in NY are virtually unknown. People don't live in fear of strangers, and you aren't treated like a potential criminal in stores (The only store I've been to that has anti-theft scanners that one must walk through, is Wal*Mart) and worrying that your house will be burglarized or that crackheads will steal anything in your yard at night that is left out and not bolted down, is just not something that is even a concern here.
Life is much more normal here; more like what you'd see in an old movie and thought had long ago disappeared.
If we are talking actual crime though- as in violent random crime.....the South isn't even in the same universe as NY. If your car breaks down here....someone will stop and help you within minutes. In NY, if anybody stops.....you'd likely fear for your life!
Here is the problem with your logic, you are comparing NYC with middle of nowhere Kentucky. The people in the rural areas of Upstate are very friendly & helpful (just as you say they are in your part of Kentucky). Compare crime in places like Atlanta, New Orleans, Norfolk, Charlotte, Jackson, Columbia & Memphis vs NYC, Syracuse, Buffalo, Pittsburgh, Philly, Boston and maybe then you will begin to understand the facts that ckh presented. In terms of per capita crime NYC is widely regarded as a very safe city. Morgan Quitno Press ranked NYC as the 4th safest city with a population over 500K.
In the same ranking they had the 25 most dangerous metro areas (out of the top 344 metro areas in the country), 6 of the top 10 (and 13 overall) were from the southeast/gulf state region ...... 0 were from the northeast.
The northeast had 2 of the top 10 in the safest category (and 10 out of the 25) ........... the southeast had 0 in the top 10 & 3 out of the whole 25 safest.
They also break down city rankings into 3 categories, over 500K, 100K-499K & 75K-99K .............. the southeast had 4 cities ranked in the top 10 in those 3 categories, 8 of the 30 were from the northeast (4 from NY - Amherst, NYC, Greece & Colonie). Amherst, Colonie & Greece are also ranked in the top 10 safest cities in the US regardless of size
12 of the 30 most dangerous were from the southeast, 5 from the northeast
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Of course any state that has high density will be more expensive and NY State's COL varies by where you live. So, even that can vary by region in NY. Keep in mind that many other states have increased or added taxes or fees as well. Even looking at a cost of living calculator, the overall cost of living between many NY State areas and Southern metros is not much different. My brother who lives in the Tidewater area of VA even mentioned that the costs will vary depending upon what you are talking about. Taxes are just one aspect of costs and people need to look at the overall aspects of costs in terms of public and private entities, not just government.
And in comparing you need to try and compare apples to apples. Trying to compare Norfolk or Raleigh or Charlotte to Johnson City, Oneida or Albany is not the same. Look at that table I posted, Syracuse for example charges $25 per 1000 for what? Other states may have a local/regional sales tax but so does NY.
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