Is NYC lying about crime?

[SuperJewNYC]

Officially, crime is down but it seems to me that enforcement is down even more. If crime isn’t reported, does that mean it doesn’t exist?

Wouldn’t politicians be incentivized to game the system by ignoring crime and claiming crime is down?

[Mr.Retired]

Opinion:

It is not called lying if you are simply not reporting it.

The brilliance of hive mind leadership is to simply ignore the problem away.
Throw a tantrum, cry, kick and scream. You'll eventually stop
when you are tired.


Hahahaha.............

[islanders2021]

Originally Posted by SuperJewNYC

Officially, crime is down but it seems to me that enforcement is down even more. If crime isn’t reported, does that mean it doesn’t exist?

Wouldn’t politicians be incentivized to game the system by ignoring crime and claiming crime is down?

Of course they are. I lived in one of the safest pcts in all of NYC in outer Queens until 2020 and the BLM riots made it so as the cops in my pct refuse to engage minorities.

Ex: Just tonight about 15 young blacks on illegal ATVs and dirt bikes, all helmetless, swirving all over the road and stopping traffic, could have been hit with dozens of crimes but not one of them were stopped. Then they made their way down towards a popular family park and started harassing the local residents just walking their dogs and others with kids. Again, the cops just followed but didn't engage.

This type of crap has been going on in my pct for years now and is never recorded as a crime. Our eyes and ears aren't lying. The city is as is the nypd.

[90sSitcom]

Of course it is. There are violent crimes even murders in my area that never make the news much less stats.

[Mr.Retired]

Originally Posted by islanders2021

Of course they are. I lived in one of the safest pcts in all of NYC in outer Queens until 2020 and the BLM riots made it so as the cops in my pct refuse to engage minorities.

Ex: Just tonight about 15 young blacks on illegal ATVs and dirt bikes, all helmetless, swirving all over the road and stopping traffic, could have been hit with dozens of crimes but not one of them were stopped. Then they made their way down towards a popular family park and started harassing the local residents just walking their dogs and others with kids. Again, the cops just followed but didn't engage.

This type of crap has been going on in my pct for years now and is never recorded as a crime. Our eyes and ears aren't lying. The city is as is the nypd.

The incident you described was the last straw for my family. It happened in a low crime
neighborhood a year ago. Same scenario. Street and sidewalk rampage. Knocking down elderly.
Ignore the problem away. Thank you Mr. Mayor and company.
One less family of taxpayers. Get your revenue from somebody else.

[MKTwet]

There are people who don't read the news but are in fear because they see what goes around their neighborhood. Lawlessness, violence, and lack of police.

[AntonioR]

Originally Posted by SuperJewNYC

Officially, crime is down but it seems to me that enforcement is down even more. If crime isn’t reported, does that mean it doesn’t exist?

Wouldn’t politicians be incentivized to game the system by ignoring crime and claiming crime is down?

They don’t hide it when crime goes up. Usually, politicians will talk a lot about a drop in crime, but not much about an increase for obvious reasons. But it isn’t that crime isn’t falling when they say is falling. What often happens is that a drop in crime doesn’t necessarily mean crime is low. If last year there were 5,000 murders (picking a random number) and this year there were 4,900 murders, homicide definitely decrease but 4,900 murders isn’t still a walk in a park. Plus, that is more than enough if a news program wants to fill their 30 or 60 minute everyday show with the mention of 3 or 4 murders in different parts of NYC. A news story of 4 murders everyday equals 1,460 a year. That’s 30% of 4,900. The data isn’t regarding the 30% that makes it to the news, but rather the 4,900 that happened citywide.

Also, NYC is a big city, so even during safe epochs it will have more crime than a smaller city or town. Notice they say NYC is safe relative to other big cities, but they never say NYC is safe relative to everything. The amount of crime that happens in NYC during safe years would be a crisis if it happens in a small city.

There is also the case where crime may be down on a citywide scale, but at the neighborhood level some may be seeing a growth of crime. They simply aren’t weighted enough to scale the general city trend. It goes without saying that anyone that lives in a neighborhood where crime is increasing will have a perception that crime in the city is going up.

The claim not all crime is registered simply show they have no idea how the crime data is created. Never has all crime been registered in NYC or anywhere else. The same is true with other things such as the census. There are always people that aren’t counted and that is taken into account.

Most people are bad with math. lol

[SuperJewNYC]

Originally Posted by AntonioR

They don’t hide it when crime goes up. Usually, politicians will talk a lot about a drop in crime, but not much about an increase for obvious reasons. But it isn’t that crime isn’t falling when they say is falling. What often happens is that a drop in crime doesn’t necessarily mean crime is low. If last year there were 5,000 murders (picking a random number) and this year there were 4,900 murders, homicide definitely decrease but 4,900 murders isn’t still a walk in a park. Plus, that is more than enough if a news program wants to fill their 30 or 60 minute everyday show with the mention of 3 or 4 murders in different parts of NYC. A news story of 4 murders everyday equals 1,460 a year. That’s 30% of 4,900. The data isn’t regarding the 30% that makes it to the news, but rather the 4,900 that happened citywide.

Also, NYC is a big city, so even during safe epochs it will have more crime than a smaller city or town. Notice they say NYC is safe relative to other big cities, but they never say NYC is safe relative to everything. The amount of crime that happens in NYC during safe years would be a crisis if it happens in a small city.

There is also the case where crime may be down on a citywide scale, but at the neighborhood level some may be seeing a growth of crime. They simply aren’t weighted enough to scale the general city trend. It goes without saying that anyone that lives in a neighborhood where crime is increasing will have a perception that crime in the city is going up.

The claim not all crime is registered simply show they have no idea how the crime data is created. Never has all crime been registered in NYC or anywhere else. The same is true with other things such as the census. There are always people that aren’t counted and that is taken into account.

Most people are bad with math. lol

Agreed that not all crime has been registered. That’s a fair assumption. However, are you claiming that the city doesn’t have discretion in enforcement and classification?

For example, what percentage of petty theft (shoplifting), do you belive is being registered nowadays. Are you willing to claim that it’s a similar percentage of what was registered during the Bloomberg years?

[Mr.Retired]

Originally Posted by MKTwet

There are people who don't read the news but are in fear because they see what goes around their neighborhood. Lawlessness, violence, and lack of police.

Well done.

It's one thing reacting to what the NEWS tells you.

It's another thing recating to what your gut tells you.

Trust your gut!