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Yes, I know. The PA took the path of least resistance to make the airport not be a laughing stock any more. It appears they succeeded in that to some degree. But NYC needs more capacity. This didn't generate it.
It wasn't just to not be a laughingstock. The CTB was built in 1964 to accommodate 8 million passengers a year, and it was up to 15 million when they started doing the planning and preliminary design around 2010. It was just a matter of how to pay for it and to get the buy-in of two governors.
Mind you, I'm not saying the terminal didn't need replacing. It did. But the whole airport was obsolete, and everything but the terminal still is. It needs direct subway access, and it need an upgraded airside with longer runways that can support a higher number of operations (at least.) Just doing the terminal ignored the need for the rest, and makes it more difficult.
I would have filled in the old seaplane basin, and closed the 4-22 runway. I'd have moved the terminal to the 4 end of 4-22, torn down the old terminals, and run a second 13-31 runway south of the existing one at 10,000' long, and extending the existing 13-31 to 9,000' building landfill for this as necessary. Something would have had to be done to get the Riker's Island bridge. Either make it a tunnel sunk into the new landfill, or build a new bridge from the Bronx (near where the Bronx prison barge is tied up.)
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Originally Posted by Mightyqueen801
It wasn't just to not be a laughingstock. The CTB was built in 1964 to accommodate 8 million passengers a year, and it was up to 15 million when they started doing the planning and preliminary design around 2010. It was just a matter of how to pay for it and to get the buy-in of two governors.
Mind you, I'm not saying the terminal didn't need replacing. It did. But the whole airport was obsolete, and everything but the terminal still is. It needs direct subway access, and it need an upgraded airside with longer runways that can support a higher number of operations (at least.) Just doing the terminal ignored the need for the rest, and makes it more difficult.
I would have filled in the old seaplane basin, and closed the 4-22 runway. I'd have moved the terminal to the 4 end of 4-22, torn down the old terminals, and run a second 13-31 runway south of the existing one at 10,000' long, and extending the existing 13-31 to 9,000' building landfill for this as necessary. Something would have had to be done to get the Riker's Island bridge. Either make it a tunnel sunk into the new landfill, or build a new bridge from the Bronx (near where the Bronx prison barge is tied up.)
Sounds like good ideas, and expensive ones. Eventually I think something likely will have to be done at the airport itself, but it's likely eons away. The NJ governor would never consent to spending billions at LGA before EWR gets brought up to par, and on the NY side, JFK is the priority. The LGA terminal was done with the infusion of private money and taking over the operations and maintenanceof the terminal, which made it palatable to everyone.
EWR Just got a big new terminal, and I think the PA paid for that. So they have nothing to complain about. NYS needs to start asserting itself more with the PA, or insist that it be broken up.
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Originally Posted by Mightyqueen801
Sounds like good ideas, and expensive ones. Eventually I think something likely will have to be done at the airport itself, but it's likely eons away. The NJ governor would never consent to spending billions at LGA before EWR gets brought up to par, and on the NY side, JFK is the priority. The LGA terminal was done with the infusion of private money and taking over the operations and maintenanceof the terminal, which made it palatable to everyone.
EWR Just got a big new terminal, and I think the PA paid for that. So they have nothing to complain about. NYS needs to start asserting itself more with the PA, or insist that it be broken up.
You are misding the point. Yes, EWR got Terminal A and the Terminal B redo has begun. But $10 billion is being spent (public and private) at JFK, the new Midtown Bus Terminal is on its way, and the funds as well as the political will just aren't there right now to extend and overhaul airside at LGA.
NYS asserts itself without hesitation with the PA.
Your belief that NYS can stamp its foot and "insist" that the PA be dismantled is inane. The Authority was created by Congress.
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