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Old 10-04-2021, 08:14 PM
 
Location: NY
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What used to be 1/8 of the total cost is now closer to 1/3 of the total cost.

It sucks that delivery charges are inching closer and closer to the costs of the actual electricity consumed.
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Old 10-12-2021, 11:54 AM
 
Location: Manhattan
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what was yours ?
My 655 unit co-op is single metered and my electricity share is included in the maintenance bill which was increased only once in 11 years. So I consider my electricity "free."

But I am a curious sort.
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Old 10-12-2021, 09:21 PM
 
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My 655 unit co-op is single metered and my electricity share is included in the maintenance bill which was increased only once in 11 years. So I consider my electricity "free."

But I am a curious sort.
It may not be within your lifetime, but make no mistake, master meters are in crosshairs of whole "greenhouse emissions reduction" schemes.

https://blogs.edf.org/energyexchange...yc-apartments/



"Tenants too are getting smarter. Many have realized that they are subsidizing the tenant down the hall and want to pay only for the electricity they use. Additionally, an increasing number of companies are developing “green policies” to reduce carbon emissions, but have no way of tracking their energy use when billed on a per-square-foot basis."

https://www.triacta.com/post/submete...nd-opportunity

https://www.nyserda.ny.gov/All-Progr...ms/Submetering
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Old 10-14-2021, 03:30 AM
 
Location: NY
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My 655 unit co-op is single metered and my electricity share is included in the maintenance bill which was increased only once in 11 years. So I consider my electricity "free."

But I am a curious sort.


Shared Electricity?
My friend, a co-oper , cranks his electricity 24/7.
Why? He Claims " to get my money's worth".
If many follow this train of thought I can only
see maintenance costs rise in the future.
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Old 10-23-2021, 07:05 AM
 
Location: Manhattan
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Individual meters are something of a ripoff to users.

Consider the Service fee added to electricity and gas bills. Since I don't pay them I don't know how much they are so I will guess between $5 and $10 each, say $7.50.

So then every month my co-op would pay 655 x $7.50. Add the cost of postage and the tally comes to pennies away from $5,000 a month for Con-Ed just to bill us...a totally unnecessary waste just for administration fees.
So that is setting up a system to pay fees that would not exist but for the silly system.

Like setting up a toll booth and using all the revenue to pay the toll taker.

Although I do somewhat appreciate the argument for cutting back on energy use
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Old 10-26-2021, 03:17 PM
 
Location: Manhattan
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From Sept 21- Oct 20

Supply Charges
84kWh@9.8929c/kwh=$8.89

Delivery Charges
Basic Charge- $17.23
Delivery 84kWh@12.5000c/kWh- $10.50


Total amount with Taxes/Surcharge $40.18

For those wondering what type of apt, 850sf 1BR Doorman building in Harlem.
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Old 10-27-2021, 09:50 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn New York
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I have my bill here, lets see what i come up with:


your supply charges:


703 kwh @9.0313c/kwh 63.49
merchant function charge 2.88
GRT & other taxes 1.60

total electric supply charge 67.97


Your delivery Charges:


basic service 18.88
703 KWH @13.5932 / kwh

system benefit charge @ 0.5405/kwh 3.80
GRT & other tax surcharges 5.82
total elec 124.06
sales tax 8.64


your electricity total 200.67


this was for 8/20/21-9/21/21




I have 2 a/c mostly run 1.


My elec will be less for the winter months.



I remember the days when my elec in this same one bedroom apartment was on the budget for 32 bucks a month, dayz gone by.
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Old 10-28-2021, 04:39 PM
 
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I have my bill here, lets see what i come up with:


your supply charges:


703 kwh @9.0313c/kwh 63.49
merchant function charge 2.88
GRT & other taxes 1.60

total electric supply charge 67.97


Your delivery Charges:


basic service 18.88
703 KWH @13.5932 / kwh

system benefit charge @ 0.5405/kwh 3.80
GRT & other tax surcharges 5.82
total elec 124.06
sales tax 8.64


your electricity total 200.67


this was for 8/20/21-9/21/21




I have 2 a/c mostly run 1.


My elec will be less for the winter months.



I remember the days when my elec in this same one bedroom apartment was on the budget for 32 bucks a month, dayz gone by.
703 kWh for a one bedroom apartment? Seems high. My usage for three weeks in August and a week in September was about 400 kWh for a house. Most of my bill was for running one a/c in one room. I used less electricity in September.
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Old 10-28-2021, 06:49 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn New York
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703 kWh for a one bedroom apartment? Seems high. My usage for three weeks in August and a week in September was about 400 kWh for a house. Most of my bill was for running one a/c in one room. I used less electricity in September.

I was thinking because of the air conditioners, other than that, I have the regular stuff in an apartment that uses electricity...


lets all face it, con ed is a freaking rip off
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Old 11-09-2021, 06:16 AM
 
Location: Manhattan
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So then over $18 for the privilege of having a meter and getting a separate bill. $18/month x 665 = about $12 Grand extra the residents of my building would have to pay for the privilege of adding individual meters and getting 665 bills, without buying a SINGLE Kilowatt-hour.

And then the same for a gas stove: even stupider.

No, one meter per building is the wiser way to go.
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