Wonder Woman movie {Merged Threads} (film, scene, action, family)

[Raena77]

The movie was awesome!!!! She's compassionate and a bad azz!

[William Taylor]

Originally Posted by Mark S.

Yeah, I know. But the mission she was preaching was "Love." But that Love was never defined.

"People ought to love one another." "Why are you treating each other so badly?" "End this violence!" "Now let me show you how by killing fifty German soldiers before embarking on my assassination attempt."

I do think there is an argument to be made that force is sometimes necessary to bring about peace. But the movie never made that argument. We just got wishy-washy never defined platitudes about "Love."

Okay, I think that explains it more, but once again, see what I said in my post #525.

[Raena77]

Love was defined multiple times.
Love of her mother,aunt,amazons,the spy,women and children. (She was even in love with the cute baby)At the end she found her new love,love of earth and humans.

[Ralph_Kirk]

Originally Posted by William Taylor

So is that all that you came to this thread to say? lol

I was going to say that, but you beat me to it.

Then I was going to rep you, but I can't until I first find a few other people I like at least as much.

[Taiko]

Originally Posted by AFtrEFkt

Lynda will be in the sequel.

Presumably she is not playing the President. Supergirl spoiler.

Spoiler

and an alien making it a fair fight for Wonder Woman

[Mark S.]

Originally Posted by William Taylor

Oh, wow. Well, I'm sorry that you feel that way... However, I'm sure that nearly $400 million dollars worth of domestic fans probably feel differently.

You're right. That one line of cheesey dialogue totally explains this movie's success. How could I have been so blind?

Originally Posted by William Taylor

So, Mark... You think that a film with a lousy ending could end up making nearly $400 million dollars domestically? Because usually with a film like you described, people will usually say that they liked it, but that it was ruined at the end... And which usually affects the overall movie.

"Ruined" would be overstating the case. Lots of people besides me think that the climax was by far the weakest part of an otherwise good movie.

Originally Posted by William Taylor

Well, apparently, Diana must have still been doubting her true power when fighting Ares... However, after Steve's death and then focusing on Steve's words, which were counter to the rhetoric that Ares had been feeding her about how horrible mankind was and how they deserved to be destroyed... Diana became focused and was able to recall some of the things that Steve said, and which were the exact opposite to what Ares was hammering into her head.

I don't think you understand what the word "apparently" means.

Originally Posted by William Taylor

And as a result of that, she said the one famous line before destroying Ares: It's not about "deserve." It's about what you believe. And I believe in Love.

Thank you! That is EXACTLY the line I could not remember. So this character who just killed a few dozen people and set out to assassinate one guy at a dinner party believes in "Love." You don't see a disconnect there??? "I believe in love. Let me illustrate by killing dozens of people."

"Behold! I shall show the way to love and understanding by kickin' ass and not even caring to take names!"

[reed067]

Originally Posted by Raena77

The movie was awesome!!!! She's compassionate and a bad azz!

Long time no see hotness!

[Mark S.]

Originally Posted by William Taylor

So, Mark... You think that a film with a lousy ending could end up making nearly $400 million dollars domestically? Because usually with a film like you described, people will usually say that they liked it, but that it was ruined at the end... And which usually affects the overall movie.

WONDER WOMAN is hardly the first good and/or successful movie to suffer from a weak ending. Just off the top of my head:

RETURN OF THE JEDI. Ewoks anyone? Anyone ...? Yet still one of the most successful movies ever made.

THE BLUES BROTHERS. Proving yet again that when John Landis can't figure out how to end a movie, he just has a bunch of car chases and mayhem. See also AN AMERICAN WEREWOLF IN LONDON and ANIMAL HOUSE. (Although in the case of ANIMAL HOUSE, I think the ending works brilliantly.)

THE HOWLING. How shall we end this otherwise fantastic horror movie? I know! Let's have our heroine turn into a shih tzu on the 10 o'clock news!

PROMETHEUS. Great first act. Problematic second act. Train wreck in the third act.

THE AVENGERS. Diabolical Loki's master plan? I shall disrupt traffic in downtown Manhattan for a few hours!

THE WOLVERINE. Actually not a half bad flick until the final fight between hero and villain, which resorts to the same tired good guy punching bad guy until bad guy doesn't get up anymore.

TERMINATOR 2. Overall a great movie. But the Terminator's "thumbs up" at the end? Total cheese that ruined an otherwise bittersweet moment.

SUPERMAN: THE MOVIE. The entire movie definitely has problems, but the ending makes no sense at all. An ending worthy of the Batman TV show from the '60s. Yet the movie was a HUGE hit. The first globally succesful live-action super hero flick.

SPIDER-MAN HOMECOMING. I had no big complaints with the final fight. But the denoument between Peter and Tony was dumb, as was May's last scene.

KILL BILL, VOL. 1. Great movie that ends with a live-action cartoonish bloodbath.

DJANGO UNCHAINED. Ditto.

[AFtrEFkt]

Originally Posted by Mark S.

WONDER WOMAN is hardly the first good and/or successful movie to suffer from a weak ending. Just off the top of my head:

RETURN OF THE JEDI. Ewoks anyone? Anyone ...? Yet still one of the most successful movies ever made.

The Ewoks were a disappointing way to go, but don't blame them. The movie's got all sort of problems, beginning with the horrible opening act at Jabba's Palace. I only like about 25 minutes of that (very overrated) movie.

Originally Posted by Mark S.

THE BLUES BROTHERS. Proving yet again that when John Landis can't figure out how to end a movie, he just has a bunch of car chases and mayhem. See also AN AMERICAN WEREWOLF IN LONDON and ANIMAL HOUSE. (Although in the case of ANIMAL HOUSE, I think the ending works brilliantly.)

I disagree with all of this. TBB and AAWIL are awesome flicks.

Originally Posted by Mark S.

THE HOWLING. How shall we end this otherwise fantastic horror movie? I know! Let's have our heroine turn into a shih tzu on the 10 o'clock news!

Again, I disagree. You may not like the design of Dee Wallace [Stone]'s werewolf, but that was a great ending, not to mention the subsequent denouement.

Originally Posted by Mark S.

PROMETHEUS. Great first act. Problematic second act. Train wreck in the third act.

Big train wreck. No debate.

Originally Posted by Mark S.

THE AVENGERS. Diabolical Loki's master plan? I shall disrupt traffic in downtown Manhattan for a few hours!

When the Chitauri can be foiled by a super-team that includes an archer and a secret agent babe with no powers, you know the writing's off.

Originally Posted by Mark S.

THE WOLVERINE. Actually not a half bad flick until the final fight between hero and villain, which resorts to the same tired good guy punching bad guy until bad guy doesn't get up anymore.

The cinematic incarnation of the Silver Samurai failed to impress.

Originally Posted by Mark S.

TERMINATOR 2. Overall a great movie. But the Terminator's "thumbs up" at the end? Total cheese that ruined an otherwise bittersweet moment.

Exactly how I felt about that moment during my first viewing at the theater.

Originally Posted by Mark S.

SUPERMAN: THE MOVIE. The entire movie definitely has problems, but the ending makes no sense at all. An ending worthy of the Batman TV show from the '60s. Yet the movie was a HUGE hit. The first globally succesful live-action super hero flick.

There's a problem with the ending, but it's not as offensive as other, er, offenders.

Originally Posted by Mark S.

KILL BILL, VOL. 1. Great movie that ends with a live-action cartoonish bloodbath.

Eh? No, the showdown at the very end rocked. "That IS a Hattori Hanzo sword!"

Originally Posted by Mark S.

DJANGO UNCHAINED. Ditto.

You forgot The Hateful Eight. But that movie's first act is just a setup for one long marathon bloodbath, anyway. But that's not the problem with the movie. The problem is it's gossamer-thin excuse for a "story."

[Mark S.]

Originally Posted by AFtrEFkt

The Ewoks were a disappointing way to go, but don't blame them. The movie's got all sort of problems, beginning with the horrible opening act at Jabba's Palace. I only like about 25 minutes of that (very overrated) movie.

Agreed. The scenes between Luke and Vader are some of the best in the series. The rest of the movie is a mess.

Originally Posted by AFtrEFkt

I disagree with all of this. TBB and AAWIL are awesome flicks.

THE BLUES BROTHERS and AN AMERICAN WEREWOLF IN LONDON are both great flicks. I did not mean to suggest otherwise. But both have weak endings. In fact, I'd go so far as to say AAWIL's ending is downright bad. It fails on two profound levels:

1. Logic. The movie has spent the entire time teaching us that David will become a werewolf on the full moon, and he does. Then he becomes a werewolf again the very next night. At no place on Earth or there two full moons two night's in a row. It just doesn't happen. The movie contradicts its own rules.

2. Emotion. The story sets us up for a tragic ending full of real pathos. David is wrestling with deciding whether or not to kill himself. He can't bring himself to do it. There is that great scene where he and Alex are talking in bed, and he says he thinks a werewolf can only be killed by someone who loves him. One of the best and most intimate scenes in the movie, in fact. But it's a total lie. Because how does David die? The cops shoot him in an alley. Cops who don't even know what they're doing. They think they're killing a stray dog. There is the old writing rule: "If you show a gun on the mantle in Act 1, it damned well better be used by Act 3." Landis gives us a great "emotional" gun in the story, then just keeps it on the mantle. That beautiful scene between David and Alex is totally meaningless.

Originally Posted by AFtrEFkt

Eh? No, the showdown at the very end rocked.

It did not. It was goofy and stupid. The ending of KILL BILL VOL. 2 on the other hand was sheer genius.

Originally Posted by AFtrEFkt

You forgot The Hateful Eight. But that movie's first act is just a setup for one long marathon bloodbath, anyway. But that's not the problem with the movie. The problem is it's gossamer-thin excuse for a "story."

I actually haven't seen THE HATEFUL EIGHT yet. Nothing in the previews excited me, and after the reviews started coming out, that movie went on my "Eh, maybe another time" shelf.