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great wrestlers make great judokas.
i personally dont want to roll on the ground with someone with a knife or a gun while i try to do a pin, arm bar or choke.
great wrestlers make great judokas.
i personally dont want to roll on the ground with someone with a knife or a gun while i try to do a pin, arm bar or choke.
Sambo which is probably the best form of self-defense will teach scenarios with guns and knifes. You would normally disable the gun or knife while standing, but the motion will be carried to the ground.
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Yeah just for fun because this stuff is really sort of silly.
1. Wrestler all day, Judo is all about the Gi and clinching.. "Judo is just wrestling with a gi and subs"
2. Tie - Wrestler needs to avoid the clinch, shoot from far...but 1 stuffed takedown and clinch = wrestler getting thrown like a sack of potatoes.
3. MMA match...
Pride Rules - Judo slight advantage
UFC Rules - Wrestler major advantage
4. Judo advantage and win, assuming they have a shirt/jacket on. The Wrestler won't be able to shoot effectively because they will busy their knees and get a soccer kick to the face.
Well maybe I wasn't clear. I specifically put greco/roman wrestling in because there's no touching of the legs allowed. Basically it all upper body work (no shooting allowed) and it's emphasis on throws. I'm just interested in a comparision of these two styles because of some similar rules and goals they have. Also I'm taking into consideration that greco/roman was historically used to train troops for war in ancient times. So there must be some street applications with this art form. Maybe???
And yes. My question might seem silly to most folk. But really I'm just looking for analysis, comparision, and thoughts here. Just take the question for a fun thought exersice.
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Sambo which is probably the best form of self-defense will teach scenarios with guns and knifes. You would normally disable the gun or knife while standing, but the motion will be carried to the ground.
Cool. Thanks for the videos. To be honest I know next to nothing about sambo and it's overall goal. And in my area there really isn't that many schools to learn the art.
Cool. Thanks for the videos. To be honest I know next to nothing about sambo and it's overall goal. And in my area there really isn't that many schools to learn the art.
It's not popular in the US.
But Sambo literally means Self-Defense without weapons in Russian "SAMozashchita Bez Oruzhiya".
It's not so much an art, but a composition of every art. It's the closest thing to real fighting.
But Sambo literally means Self-Defense without weapons in Russian "SAMozashchita Bez Oruzhiya".
It's not so much an art, but a composition of every art. It's the closest thing to real fighting.
sambo is very nice.
i mean fedor basically trained in NOTHING but sambo, a mix of judo, wrestling, kickboxing and such.
ive worked with reilly bodycomb a couple of times (im not a big fan of his though) and his sambo is very good stuff.
he shows some good and bad of sambo in self defense in this highlight.
Just for fun. What are your thoughts on if a high level judo player faced a high level greco/roman wrestler in....
1. A grappling match no gi
2. A grappling match gi
3. A MMA match. Let say striking ablity are equal.
4. A street fight/bar fight.
its hard ot answer as it would depend on the players and the rules on all the sport events questioned. in a street fight id have to go judoka over wrestler as was stated before in this thread.
i would say for grins,
1) wrestler
2) judoka
3) judoka but would depend on rules and cage/ring.
4) judoka
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Originally Posted by Mach50
Yeah just for fun because this stuff is really sort of silly.
1. Wrestler all day, Judo is all about the Gi and clinching.. "Judo is just wrestling with a gi and subs"
2. Tie - Wrestler needs to avoid the clinch, shoot from far...but 1 stuffed takedown and clinch = wrestler getting thrown like a sack of potatoes.
3. MMA match...
Pride Rules - Judo slight advantage
UFC Rules - Wrestler major advantage
4. Judo advantage, assuming they have a shirt/jacket on. The Wrestler won't be able to shoot effectively because they will break their knees and get a soccer kick to the face. But honestly the wrestler could win without a low shot...think crotch shot.
the video is a bit misleading in that hongo was NEVER ranked #3 in japan, and i believe the guy even says he was ranked #2 in the world or something. curious how you can be ranked #3 in a country and #2 in the world. wouldnt that mean he would be #2 at least in japan?
2nd, this was past hongos prime, and in his prime hongo was never an olympic caliber judoka. in addition this was a nmogi-bjj-sub grappling match. you can clearly see the issue with hongo is the judo rules he has been forced to eat for decades. things like turning to your belly, and knees. not to get stuck in a hold down. im not sure he really even understood the rules from watching that video and another video.
honestly i wish we had seen more of mcmann vs ronda. thats 2 olympic medalists, one wrestling, one judo. the highest form of their respective sports and they reached all but the very best in the world. what little we saw was ronda controlling.
Sambo which is probably the best form of self-defense will teach scenarios with guns and knifes. You would normally disable the gun or knife while standing, but the motion will be carried to the ground.
so far i have refrained from saying it, but there is a big difference from typing on CDF with a bag of potato chips and a beer --and having a 38 shoved up your nose. nice film clips as long as you and i watch the movie-- we will be just fine.
Well maybe I wasn't clear. I specifically put greco/roman wrestling in because there's no touching of the legs allowed. Basically it all upper body work (no shooting allowed) and it's emphasis on throws. I'm just interested in a comparision of these two styles because of some similar rules and goals they have. Also I'm taking into consideration that greco/roman was historically used to train troops for war in ancient times. So there must be some street applications with this art form. Maybe???
And yes. My question might seem silly to most folk. But really I'm just looking for analysis, comparision, and thoughts here. Just take the question for a fun thought exersice.
I thought Greco Roman came from some form of French Carnival wrestling. Not sure why they call it greco roman.
Even if it was for the ancient battle field, why allow leg attacks to the legs? Just not arms to the legs because that requires that you bend over.
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because this stuff is really sort of silly.
