Do not defund police/ add more police (Minneapolis, St. Paul: bill, cities)

[MPK21]

Originally Posted by Umbria

FBI guy said they are here due to the unusually high # of car jackings. They normally don't get involved in this stuff but since the numbers are so high they are. I'm hoping their presence sends this group back to the armpits they came from.

Did you hear they shot up a snow plow? Be careful.

I thought having Federal agents in cities to assist crwith local crime issues was a neo-Nazi play by the Federal government?...you know, the rising Fascism thing we heard about in 2020 as cites blew up over George Floyd.

[MPK21]

Originally Posted by Cruz Azul Guy

Why are you still fixated on something that happened 18 months ago? Everyone else has moved on.

Because the Floyd Effect just keeps on giving and growing.

[MPK21]

The ''defund the police/add more police'' is a political topic and movement though...hmm.

[Leisesturm]

It is kind of depraved to not be able to understand why people were so upset at a particularly egregious example of Police Brutality that they demanded for the defunding of the Police Department. The proper response to that understandable resentment and anger was, nothing.

Nothing should have been inferred, done, or said, to that specific request. But, of course, that wouldn't have been enough. It was instead necessary to counter-attack the aggrieved, and question their motives and point out the idiocy of such a policy change. And, also of course, waste no opportunities to double down on the existing paradigm of targeted policing and brutality that so upset people in the first place.

No knock warrants should have gone away after Breonna Taylor was murdered. But (of course) it didn't because ... I don't know why. But they are gone now, that much I can tell you. And if police, not just in Minneapolis, but police all over these United States cannot figure out how to bring unarmed individuals into custody without killing them, or offer armed individuals the opportunity to disarm before using deadly force, there WILL come a point where some alternative to the present structure and training of municipal police departments is developed and implemented. The way it is is on borrowed time.

[Thebluelady]

Originally Posted by Leisesturm

It is kind of depraved to not be able to understand why people were so upset at a particularly egregious example of Police Brutality that they demanded for the defunding of the Police Department. The proper response to that understandable resentment and anger was, nothing.

Nothing should have been inferred, done, or said, to that specific request. But, of course, that wouldn't have been enough. It was instead necessary to counter-attack the aggrieved, and question their motives and point out the idiocy of such a policy change. And, also of course, waste no opportunities to double down on the existing paradigm of targeted policing and brutality that so upset people in the first place.

No knock warrants should have gone away after Breonna Taylor was murdered. But (of course) it didn't because ... I don't know why. But they are gone now, that much I can tell you. And if police, not just in Minneapolis, but police all over these United States cannot figure out how to bring unarmed individuals into custody without killing them, or offer armed individuals the opportunity to disarm before using deadly force, there WILL come a point where some alternative to the present structure and training of municipal police departments is developed and implemented. The way it is is on borrowed time.

GTFO. Dude. People like you are the reason the city of Minneapolis is screwed. I'm an immigrant from Asia. I want law and order here. The police are not the problem in Minneapolis. The problems are in the some people’s community. Stop committing crime and be a law abiding citizens.

[Thebluelady]

Originally Posted by Leisesturm

It is kind of depraved to not be able to understand why people were so upset at a particularly egregious example of Police Brutality that they demanded for the defunding of the Police Department. The proper response to that understandable resentment and anger was, nothing.

Nothing should have been inferred, done, or said, to that specific request. But, of course, that wouldn't have been enough. It was instead necessary to counter-attack the aggrieved, and question their motives and point out the idiocy of such a policy change. And, also of course, waste no opportunities to double down on the existing paradigm of targeted policing and brutality that so upset people in the first place.

No knock warrants should have gone away after Breonna Taylor was murdered. But (of course) it didn't because ... I don't know why. But they are gone now, that much I can tell you. And if police, not just in Minneapolis, but police all over these United States cannot figure out how to bring unarmed individuals into custody without killing them, or offer armed individuals the opportunity to disarm before using deadly force, there WILL come a point where some alternative to the present structure and training of municipal police departments is developed and implemented. The way it is is on borrowed time.

I want Law and order, and I believe all lives matter, especially blue lives matter, but criminals lives don’t matter.

[Leisesturm]

Originally Posted by Thebluelady

I want Law and order, and I believe all lives matter, especially blue lives matter, but criminals lives don’t matter.

You can't have it all ways. All lives means all lives. I'm fine with 'all lives matter'. Why not? Why are Blue Lives more valued than any other? Why aren't 'criminals' lives' less valued than any other? A person is innocent until proven guilty. A person convicted of passing a bad bill would not receive Capital Punishment.

33% of police arrests do not go according to textbook. Suspects routinely flee, resist, injure officers, but the majority are nonetheless eventually subdued and taken into custody. When a particular cohort of lives are spectacularly disproportionately treated differently and with gross indifference for the sanctity of their human lives ... what, that wouldn't eventually be noticed? Pushed back on?

I believe that all lives matter. That means ALL.

[wamer27]

This evening on live on patrol Bob mentioned St Paul City Council said there were 2,400 different reports of shots fired in St. Paul last year, and that’s only ones that were reported. That’s 6.5 different times per every single day. This number has doubled within the last two years. They fully agree the real number is actually hundreds more. How do people who think everything is normal respond to this?

[Kaszilla]

Why do cities with much higher crime rate have less cops killing unarmed people per capita than Mpls?

[elnina]

I think this is ripe to be closed. Nothing of substance has been posted lately.