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Originally Posted by 10-23
I am not condemning anyone at all, just trying (apparently unsuccessfully) to draw an analogy. Why would anyone want to question the traditions and requirements of a religion?
I guess, I've missed my point.
I'm out.
Your point is not wrong but among the more Orthodox observers it remains in the traditional way with men being the only attendees for a minyan as well as the Synagogue Rabbi's and leaders. The other end of the spectrum is the Reformed Movement which is more inclusive with woman filling the same roles along with men tallit & yarmulke included, Between the two ends are the Conservatives and what I've seen their practices can vary based on the congregation, woman may or may not be the Rabbi or Cantor or participate in a minyan.
Unlike your comparison the type of Synagogue you choose to attend determines who will fill the roles.
I think the point being made by TFF is that women in Orthodox synagogues, where their presence would not be counted for a minyan is to request that women not attend services while there are occupancy limitations and social distancing is required. Normally, female attendance would be unlimited. I imagine it depends on the space of the building or outdoor space. None of this would apply to Conservative, Reconstructionist, Reform congregations.
I am not condemning anyone at all, just trying (apparently unsuccessfully) to draw an analogy. Why would anyone want to question the traditions and requirements of a religion?
I think the point being made by TFF is that women in Orthodox synagogues, where their presence would not be counted for a minyan is to request that women not attend services while there are occupancy limitations and social distancing is required. Normally, female attendance would be unlimited. I imagine it depends on the space of the building or outdoor space. None of this would apply to Conservative, Reconstructionist, Reform congregations.
That is all correct and all here should read this. And yes, I’m normal times, women have unlimited access to the shul.
I attended my first post-lockdown minyan this morning. Very strange:
put on tallis and tefillin at home, daven up to yishtabach at home
drive over
wear mask, stand at marked spaces, 6 feet apart, in the back yard of a private home
there was anaveil (mourner) there but the minyan wasn't considered a mourner's minyan so we didn't exclude the things not said at a mourner's minyan
but because it is the celebration of the new month (Rosh Chodesh) certain things were omitted anyway.
We said hallel but the mourner walked out for it
no torah service
tefillin stayed on for musaf
psalm 16 was added at the end -- this is added at a mourner's minyan but the rabbi figured, "at the end of the day, you can always add a chapter of psalms and a kaddish after ANY minyan" so it did no harm to add it in here
This is the approach my state's rabbinical council is taking.
As my rabbi put it, until it's safe for all of us we will not open the building. But the congregation is not a building, so there are outdoor options in the works now that we're down to less than 300 new cases a day on average.
This is the approach my state's rabbinical council is taking.
As my rabbi put it, until it's safe for all of us we will not open the building. But the congregation is not a building, so there are outdoor options in the works now that we're down to less than 300 new cases a day on average.
My congregation has started sending out questionnaires to all members to try to gauge what sort of attendance we can expect for the High Holidays. I don't know whether or not there are plans to hold the services indoors or outdoors. We're still three months away from it, but there is some uncertainty over whether the relaxed quarantine rules right now might result in a fresh spike in the pandemic. So the Board of Directors and associate rabbis are planning ahead.
B’h, still no new cases in the shul, even though Covid is rising in my state. We’re still davening indoors (I lost track of the weeks - maybe 5 or 6?) with our new normal (masks, distancing, no kiddush and lots of extra rules). But with temps in the 90s and 100s here, backyards are just not an option. It ain’t pretty, but it’s working. Hashem is clearly sending us a message. I wish we merited to truly understand what it is.
Ultra-Orthodox push for closure of synagogues for fear of 2nd virus wave
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Leaders seek preemptive measures for sector's crowded communities; 'it's uncomfortable and unpleasant to pray outside in the summer, but it's more pleasant than going to a funeral,' says rabbi
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