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Old 10-28-2022, 06:24 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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I'm mostly concerned with GOOG since I'm holding some.

Opinions - which ones look good, long term?
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Old 10-28-2022, 06:37 AM
 
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My guess is Amazon is to shopping what vanguard was to indexing ..

They sold the public on a way of doing things ..

That is the hardest part .

To take people who are used to touching and sniffing what they buy and having it sight unseen many times delivered to their door isn’t easy .

Today it is easier to mimic them since doing business that way is main stream.

We order from Walmart as I hate having to edit every order with Amazon so they don’t automatically charge me freight or slip in Amazon prime

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Old 10-28-2022, 06:49 AM
 
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Amazon makes most of their money from AWS and a lesser extent from ads. I don't think retail contributes much.

Amazon is best positioned since AWS is upstream of consumer-facing businesses. Several of the big names and a whole lot of startups rely on AWS. These would all have to fail before AWS would fail.

Apple is in a good position because of smartphone buying habits and market share.

Microsoft has both on-prem licenses and cloud revenue from enterprise. Very stable.

Google is okay but they are losing the war to SEO spam and search quality is declining. They are not diversified like MSFT and almost all of their attempts to find revenue outside ads have failed.

Meta stinks.
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Old 10-28-2022, 06:54 AM
 
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I sold many META shares a while back, I simply no longer trust Zuckerberg and their management enough to warrant such a big position. There seems to continue to be a huge backlash over their platform lately from all sides. Having said that they still have literally billions of daily users and that cannot be replicated easily. Advertising ROI on Facebook is still around 10% so for every $1 you spend you get back $1.10 in revenue, that still resonates with a lot of firms. Still holding onto some shares for the long-term but not something I would be holding now if I'm trying to make a quick buck.
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Old 10-28-2022, 07:09 AM
 
Location: Warwick, RI
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META is a disaster. Their main product, Facebook, is passé these days, and sorry, but Reels is not going to compete with Tik Tok. Their business is dependent on a cyclical ad revenue, and their CEO just burned through every dollar of FCF with his Metaverse obsession that is doomed to failure, because nobody over the age of 14 really cares about virtual real estate, and Apple is going to destroy them on the hardware side. Does Zuck really think META can compete with Apple VR headsets? What's Meta's history with hardware???? He's obsessed with Metaverse, and he's taking the company and shareholders on an all costs kamikaze run towards failure. And you can't fire him.

PS: Did you see Jim Cramers "apology" yesterday for recommending META stock? Wow, just wow.

Amazon is a collection of businesses, the biggest of which is a low/no margin retailer that's never really produced any earnings. AWS is outstanding, but not enough to overcome the burdens of the other low margin businesses. Plus you've got major labor issues - no one wants to work for Amazon anymore, unionization issues, etc. Jeff Bezos is out, and he's more interested in buying yachts and building spaceships anyhow. No thank you.

Netflix never belonged in this group in the first place.

Apple, Microsoft and Google are the only ones run by grown ups who care about things like earnings, and I would be ok owning any of them long term - in that order, and only at the right price.
Contrary to what we've all heard the last few years, valuation DOES matter.
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Old 10-28-2022, 07:47 AM
 
Location: Victory Mansions, Airstrip One
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META is a disaster. Their main product, Facebook, is passé these days, and sorry, but Reels is not going to compete with Tik Tok. Their business is dependent on a cyclical ad revenue, and their CEO just burned through every dollar of FCF with his Metaverse obsession that is doomed to failure, because nobody over the age of 14 really cares about virtual real estate, and Apple is going to destroy them on the hardware side. Does Zuck really think META can compete with Apple VR headsets? What's Meta's history with hardware???? He's obsessed with Metaverse, and he's taking the company and shareholders on an all costs kamikaze run towards failure. And you can't fire him.

PS: Did you see Jim Cramers "apology" yesterday for recommending META stock? Wow, just wow.

Amazon is a collection of businesses, the biggest of which is a low/no margin retailer that's never really produced any earnings. AWS is outstanding, but not enough to overcome the burdens of the other low margin businesses. Plus you've got major labor issues - no one wants to work for Amazon anymore, unionization issues, etc. Jeff Bezos is out, and he's more interested in buying yachts and building spaceships anyhow. No thank you.

Netflix never belonged in this group in the first place.

Apple, Microsoft and Google are the only ones run by grown ups who care about things like earnings, and I would be ok owning any of them long term - in that order, and only at the right price.
Contrary to what we've all heard the last few years, valuation DOES matter.
Excellent summary. I agree on all points.
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Old 10-28-2022, 09:32 AM
 
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I'm mostly concerned with GOOG since I'm holding some.

Opinions - which ones look good, long term?
I don't own any of them (other than what might be in funds I hold). I rarely ever buy stocks.
I do own Apple, bought on a whim a few years ago. It was a good whim.
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Old 10-28-2022, 09:39 AM
 
Location: West Los Angeles and Rancho Palos Verdes
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Amazon makes most of their money from AWS and a lesser extent from ads. I don't think retail contributes much.

Amazon is best positioned since AWS is upstream of consumer-facing businesses. Several of the big names and a whole lot of startups rely on AWS. These would all have to fail before AWS would fail.

Apple is in a good position because of smartphone buying habits and market share.

Microsoft has both on-prem licenses and cloud revenue from enterprise. Very stable.

Google is okay but they are losing the war to SEO spam and search quality is declining. They are not diversified like MSFT and almost all of their attempts to find revenue outside ads have failed.

Meta stinks.
Made me immediately think of this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0LAs7X5ybE
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Old 10-28-2022, 11:42 AM
 
Location: Victory Mansions, Airstrip One
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I'm mostly concerned with GOOG since I'm holding some.

Opinions - which ones look good, long term?
I've owned Google (now Alphabet) and Apple for more than ten years, and still holding.

Bought Microsoft in 2020, and still holding.

No interest in the others.
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Old 10-28-2022, 02:08 PM
 
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I own GOOG, MSFT, AMZN, AAPL and NVDA. I got crushed on the first three. I added to my GOOG position before earnings, what a mistake.
I plan to hold them all though.
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