Deaths up to 18 to 64 year olds according to Indiana CEO at 1 America (Norway: how much, centers)

[Toxic Toast]

Originally Posted by Kluch

I read an article a while back pointing out that there were hospitals that had stopped reporting death toll numbers of those who were vaccinated, but we're still releasing death counts of the unvaccinated.

Source?

Originally Posted by Kluch

At this point it's clear you can make any sort of point if you have enough data. Believe me I know, I work in data science.

I'm pretty well convinced that most people have taken a side at this point and couldn't be convinced otherwise. If you're vaccinated you're likely to believe that they're safe and effective and not consider any other possibility.

Which part of this and this is data manipulation to make a point?

[WILWRadio]

While not from the USA, this article clearly illustrates the risks associated with taking those shots.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/3-...covid-vaccine/

[Kluch]

Originally Posted by Toxic Toast

Source?

I found those articles relating to the hospitals probably 6 months ago. It's a needle in a haystack out there on the internet. Unfortunately I don't log every covid related article I find over time, though it would be helpful in these conversations.

Here are some fun cheery sources though...
https://flybynews.wordpress.com/2021...-unvaccinated/

https://citizenfreepress.com/column-...tting-vaccine/

[Kluch]

Originally Posted by Toxic Toast

Which part of this and this is data manipulation to make a point?

So, that second article is fascinating, particularly because the father needing an icu bed had the exact same conditions as my wife's friend who took the vaccine and then had to be in the hospitalized three times in the following weeks. Her friend had pneumonia and sepsis as well, neither of which were related to covid. Not saying it's related to the vaccine but it's definitely suspicious in my book.

[Toxic Toast]

Originally Posted by Kluch

So, that second article is fascinating, particularly because the father needing an icu bed had the exact same conditions as my wife's friend who took the vaccine and then had to be in the hospitalized three times in the following weeks. Her friend had pneumonia and sepsis as well, neither of which were related to covid. Not saying it's related to the vaccine but it's suspicious in my book.

My unvaxxed neighbors had the same thing right after Christmas. The "suspicious" part is your own cognitive dissonance at work.

[htfdcolt]

Originally Posted by WILWRadio

While not from the USA, this article clearly illustrates the risks associated with taking those shots.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/3-...covid-vaccine/

Sinopharm is not FDA-approved and is not administered in the US or Canada.

[WILWRadio]

Originally Posted by htfdcolt

Sinopharm is not FDA-approved and is not administered in the US or Canada.

True. But it shows the risk of taking these shots since they have not been properly tested before implementation. The WHO is now stating this shot should not be given to people younger than 18 years old. Initially they said it was fine for use in all age groups. My point is simple. Without proper testing over several years, use at your own risk no matter which Covid shot you take.

[htfdcolt]

Originally Posted by WILWRadio

True. But it shows the risk of taking these shots since they have not been properly tested before implementation. The WHO is now stating this shot should not be given to people younger than 18 years old. Initially they said it was fine for use in all age groups. My point is simple. Without proper testing over several years, use at your own risk no matter which Covid shot you take.

And that *was* done for the FDA-approved vaccines. Contrary to the belief of some, the mRNA vaccines have been under development for a decade. Operation Warp Speed provided the financial wherewithal for mfrs to take the risk of investing in production rampup parallel to, rather than sequential to, FDA approval.

[Listener2307]

The ignorance continues.
The linked article said ...deaths are up 40%.. But the article later said death rates are up 40%, which, of course, is not the same thing at all.


If 10,000 die this year and 14,000 next year deaths are up 40%.
If the death rate is 90 per 10,000 and then increases to 112.6, the death rate has increased 40%. The number of actual dead people has not increased 40%.

[rrah]

Originally Posted by WILWRadio

Well, this points to a larger problem in that far more cases of Covid are not being reported by people that have already had the shot. Just found out today, two more people at work came down with it. And both have had the shot and at least one has had boosters. While these cases are not reported, they are happening and it should be noted that the "official" statistics being sent out by the CDC may not be accurate.

Again, anecdotal. Where is the wide data on this? How do you know that vaccinated people are not reporting Covid cases? Oh, yeah...an anecdote.

The same can be said of the the anti-vaxxers. Maybe their not reporting?

BTW--today not a single vaccinated person I know tested positive for Covid, but a couple of unvaccinated people did. Hmmm....