02-21-2010, 09:30 AM
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I just started reading what promises to be a fascinating book by Tim Egan (NY Times writer with NW roots),
The Big Burn: Terry Roosevelt and the Fire that Saved America .
Amazon.com: The Big Burn: Teddy Roosevelt and the Fire that Saved America (9780618968411): Timothy Egan: Books (The website has period pics and an interview with Egan. He has his own political POV that you may or may not agree with, but the story is fascinating, regardless.)
It tells the story of the devastating wildfire--the largest to date, says Egan, 3 mill. acres in 2 days--that swept through NW Montana and NID in August 1910, and (maybe? almost?
) destroyed Wallace. I haven't gotten to the end of the story yet!
Of course I'm a NW history buff, so this book has me at the edge of my seat, especially since the fire affected our little piece of Paradise. I'll keep you posted as the story unfolds (= as I have time to read the book!
).
What I'd be curious to find out is if any of you remember any family stories from the Big Burn, or have any tangible mementos? And have you heard of any commemorative events planned for August? I believe we actually may have a tree on our property that is a still-standing "burn victim" of when the fire swept through--a big old partially blackened cedar. Of course it could be from a local fire, or a lightning strike--I'll have to find out more when we're in CF.
02-21-2010, 10:33 AM
Location: Harrisonburg, VA
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Hey, thanks for the heads up! I have added this book to my "wish list" at Amazon. I like to read about places I plan to visit ahead of time. This is especially true with NID as I am not just visiting, but looking with relocation in mind if the feeling is right.
02-21-2010, 12:30 PM
Location: FINALLY in N. Idaho
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Hey, thanks for the heads up! I have added this book to my "wish list" at Amazon. I like to read about places I plan to visit ahead of time. This is especially true with NID as I am not just visiting, but looking with relocation in mind if the feeling is right.
I think St. Maries all but burned down in that fire too if I'm not mistaken CFF..
There is a book by James Wesley Rawles called "Patriots".. Its been called a survival manual disguised as a novel.. Its about a group of people who setup a retreat in North Idaho. After a total financial meltdown and unraveling of society they all go to this retreat to ride it out.. I read this book many years ago and its gone through alot of changes over the years but its a very timely read now.. I found it at Hastings, and you can get it at any book store now.. This book is what got me looking at my current locale over 10 years ago as a place to live..
A little disclaimer.. My custom knives appear in the book at one point. I got to know the author and we traded some stuff, and he decided to use them in it... It might make me a little biased but I still think its a great read..
02-21-2010, 03:12 PM
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Hey, thanks for the heads up! I have added this book to my "wish list" at Amazon. I like to read about places I plan to visit ahead of time. This is especially true with NID as I am not just visiting, but looking with relocation in mind if the feeling is right.
Gonzo,
I'm mostly familiar with the area between the Clark Fork and the Kootenai rivers, and I can tell you that there is a fantastic stand of old growth giant cedars left in Montana on Highway 56, in the Cabinet Mts, Ross Creek Cedars, about 1 hour's drive from Sandpoint. Just as jaw-dropping as the giant redwoods in CA. Maybe even more!
But I'm sure there are other pockets of old growth forest in the Cabinets, the Selkirks, and the Bitterroots--maybe our ATV guys would know about that?
I'll see what other book titles I can come up with. Anything about Lewis and Clark, for starters!
Trace,
I'm sure I'm in for some heartbreaking stories once I get further into the book...such as St. Joe...
02-21-2010, 04:22 PM
Location: Ponderay, Idaho
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If you like BIG cedar trees, check out the Perkins Cedar Grove about 10 miles from the little town of Elk River (north of Dworshak Reservoir, which is north of Orofino). The “King of the Grove” is Idaho’s largest tree, a Western Red Cedar; 177 feet tall and 18 feet in diameter at chest level. It is believed to be 3,000 years old….about my age!
I believe the Grove is only accessible during summer months. Get directions to the Grove at the Elk River Lodge & General Store in Elk River.
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02-22-2010, 01:01 PM
Location: Harrisonburg, VA
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Thanks to all of you for the information! I didn't mean to hijack this thread, as I would love to hear more stories from people about the fire too. Family lore is often the best source for real information.
02-22-2010, 06:54 PM
Location: naples, idaho
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We moved here this summer and have found some giant stumps that are burnt, from the 1910 fire. Most were salvaged cut, you can see the springboard cuts about 8' above ground. Have burnt stumps on our property and a local "history buff" say there from the 1910 fire.
02-24-2010, 05:23 PM
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Interesting that we have two simultaneous threads about giant cedars! Thanks for the info, Bob. Check out amazing pics from Elk River over on the "Logging" thread!
Dave, it had somehow escaped me that you had made the move to Naples! Congrats!
Would love to see pics of the giant cedar stumps! That's so interesting! That makes me think that our large burned tree may indeed be a survivor.
Reading about the rowdy little mining towns in the Coeur d'Alenes the year of the fire--Deadwood had nothing on them, except for Wild Bill!
02-24-2010, 05:25 PM
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I just noticed that I renamed Roosevelt and called him Terry. Sorry, Teddy! Just a typo!
02-25-2010, 09:09 AM
Location: Del Rio, TN
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I'm trying to organize a "Big Burn" ATV ride out of Wallace this summer. Wallace/Avery area was pretty key to the story of the Big Burn. The Pulaski Tunnel ttp://www.idahoforests.org/pulanski.htm (http://www.idahoforests.org/pulanski.htm - broken link) is just out of Wallace, and I've never stopped to hike in. Lake Elsie/Big Creek were supposed to be were a group of firefighters were killed, and I understand "Cemetery Ridge" was named for firefighters killed back then. I'm going to look for someone to lead it that has knowledge of the history, we'll see how it goes.
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Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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) destroyed Wallace. I haven't gotten to the end of the story yet! 
Of course I'm a NW history buff, so this book has me at the edge of my seat, especially since the fire affected our little piece of Paradise. I'll keep you posted as the story unfolds (= as I have time to read the book! 
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But I'm sure there are other pockets of old growth forest in the Cabinets, the Selkirks, and the Bitterroots--maybe our ATV guys would know about that? 
