04-09-2023, 07:11 AM
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Good day everyone. I have really struggling with a place to relocate to but Idaho seems to check a lot of boxes. I am in Great Falls which is the open plains and windy, I mean windy all of the time. I am looking to be closer to mountains with less wind and have a bit better climate. I want to be within 15-20 minutes of some kind of city that is 20,000+ so I can have work and medical. Was eyeing everything from Moscow to Kellogg and Post Falls. Only concern is homes with 5 acres or more seem to be well above $500,000 to even a million. I will only have about $500,000 to spend. My question is with the obvious higher cost of living does the economy reflect that by higher wages? I would possibly start my own business anyway but need to research if there is a demand. I currently work in constrcution supply sales and it would be nice to find a growing area where a smaller scale business like mine is needed.
04-09-2023, 09:00 AM
Location: North Idaho
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Wages are going to depend on what you do for a living.
In North Idaho, both Post Falls and Coeur d'Alene have populations over 20,000
You can get 5 acres near Coeur d'Alene if you can settle for a mobile home. Maybe look 15 minutes south of Coeur d'Alene, since north isn't any cheaper.
Post Falls is a bit less expensive than Coeur d'Alene, and has more wind. You aren't getting a decent frame built house on 5 acres for $500,000 in either one of those cities.
04-09-2023, 10:17 AM
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I'd look 5-20 miles east of Lewiston. Or maybe parts of Spokane Valley WA.
Maybe near Emmett or Weiser. Or up to a half hour from Twin Falls.
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04-09-2023, 02:30 PM
Location: Idaho
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Kellogg??? Too far from anything. Wages and the cost of housing in North Idaho are out of balance. There was a top-of-the-fold front page article in today's paper about the cost of housing and how most cannot afford it. Been a long term problem that has only gotten worse since COVID. No easy solutions. You shouldn't have any problems finding work . . . if you can afford to live somewhere close.
04-10-2023, 01:11 AM
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Wages are going to depend on what you do for a living.
In North Idaho, both Post Falls and Coeur d'Alene have populations over 20,000
You can get 5 acres near Coeur d'Alene if you can settle for a mobile home. Maybe look 15 minutes south of Coeur d'Alene, since north isn't any cheaper.
Post Falls is a bit less expensive than Coeur d'Alene, and has more wind. You aren't getting a decent frame built house on 5 acres for $500,000 in either one of those cities.
I can usually find some interesting deals on Realtor.com--something in Hayden, or Dalton Gardens, but you guys are right--there's simply nothing under 500K + acreage right now! I'm stunned.
Here is a funky home with 5 acres in Rathdrum for 525K, that's as close as I could get to anything in the Coeur d'Alene area:
https://www.realtor.com/realestatean...8_M23436-23622
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04-10-2023, 08:41 AM
Location: North Idaho
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I think that one is a pretty good deal. It's a tear-down and the buyer would just be interested in the property. The location is good, and that's a good price for 5 acres in that area, especially for five acres with forest, and it has it's utilities and drive already in, which would normally cost a lot of money to do from scratch. It's also got a shop, and shops are expensive to build.
But yes, "funky" would be a very polite description of the house. It's a big project, for sure.
04-10-2023, 12:38 PM
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https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1...58872420_zpid/
Twin Falls
Twice the square footage, newer / way less funky than one above. A third less acreage but 30% lower price. Wilderness about the same distance away.
04-10-2023, 03:35 PM
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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I agree.
To meet the OP's requirements, SW Idaho is the only place that's affordable within the OP's constraints.
If not Twin Falls, I am pretty sure a place could be found in the surrounding area- Gooding, Jerome, Wendell, Bliss, Shoshone; basically, every town west of Burley or American Falls will be closer to Twin than Pocatello.
But really, it's all a matter of degree.
Idaho Falls is the windiest large city in Idaho, I think, but I've spent time in Great Falls and it is windier there than in I.F.
The difference is Great Falls has more continuous strong breeze than I.F. Both cities are calm at times, and both get strong winds with every passing weather front that moves in or out.
Pocatello's properties are still slightly cheaper than those in I.F., and Poky lies in a hole, surrounded by mountains, so while it gets wind, there's much less of it there. But Poky is almost as high as I.F., so it's only a few degrees warmer.
Year round, Southwest Idaho is warmer because it's lower in elevation. While the Southeast corridor is higher, its because the corridor lies on the western slope of the Rockies. So even though the cities are on flat ground, the mountains are really close. And the Rockies are not covered in pines. There are lakes all over southern Idaho, but the mountains that cover the south are all the biggest and most jagged in the state.
The Southwest corner is a prairie, so it's relatively flat, but it's Idaho's great canyonlands. Twin Falls is the home of our largest and deepest canyon, cut by the Snake River, the second-largest river in the inland northwest. Shoshone Falls is higher than Niagara Falls. The falls lies within Twin's city limits. So in SW Idaho, all a person has to do to find something real spectacular is to look down, not up.
To me, that's the biggest difference of all between Montana and Idaho. Montana is mostly prairie, with only the western edge of the state mountainous. The weather patterns are different there due to that fact.
Idaho is chock-full of mountains in our interior. We all live close to our boundaries in the places where there's enought flat ground to buid cities on. Those mountains all break up our weather patterns, and form many micro-climates.
All Montana is farther north than about 2/3 of Idaho. South Idaho is all higher than North Idaho, even though it's flatter. So it's all slightly colder, except in the spots where the elevation is as low as the valleys in the north. About 1,000 feet higher (a rough estimate).
North Idaho (we call it NID here), is more classicly what most folks think a nice little place in the mountains should be- lots of pines covering mountains that are mostly gentle enough for a hike, with a nearby lake in view somewhere in the scene.
That's why, in large part, the prices are so high there now.
South Idaho's countryside is much more mixed. Look westward through most of it, and it's all pretty flat, but that's deceiving. Just over that low hill on the horizon, what lies ahead can be anything from a gob-stopping canyon to mountains so rugged some don't have names. And Idaho also has a huge lava-flow desert that's the largest on the continent in the middle of that more common stuff.
Idaho is actually the closest thing to Mongolia that exists on N. America.
I think the best thing, if a person is thinking seriously of moving here, is to come and take a long visit and look us over. Try to plan to see as much as possible, and then go back home and make your final decisions after you return.
Bear in mind everything I just mentioned has already been disc'ered long ago by those who came before you. You won't discover anything new here that's undiscovered.
Also keep in mind Idaho is still the 'glamor girl' of the West right now. The folks who move to the West always have one state in mind they want to move to.
The picture in their mind- I call it 'The Little Cabin Home In The West'- is usually the same: a beautiful rustic home, next to a babbling brook full of trout, surrounded by pines, with rugged mountains nearby, to be seen from the big windows of the cabin. On 20 acres, most often.
The state that has all that tend to change. 50 years ago when I was young, California was the Glamor Girl state with it all and big cities, too. Then it was Colorado, and then, Arizona, and then Montana. They were all Glamor Girls once, and now, it's Idaho's turn.
And it's a real factor that needs to be understood before anyone moves. Those trends all come when a state gets something a lot of other folks like to hear and/or see. So they want to be there, no longer in the same routing as here.
The trends come and go, though, and when they go after a big rush of popularity, the state is left with lots of big problems as soon a the boom busts.
It's like a wave, sort of- catch it when it's rising, and surfing it to the beach is both easy and nice.
Catching the wave in the middle is harder to surf, and the beach won't be empty and pristine.
Catch it too late, and you won't be able to surf at all.
And the beach will be full of folks who are all rested, refreshed, and ready to catch the next wave, leaving all their litter behind.
If the too-late newcomer hasn't been ground under by the surf and actually reaches that beach, it won't be very nice any more.
04-10-2023, 04:20 PM
Location: Idaho
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SW Idaho is probably your best bet. Here are some properties listed around Garden Valley to Cascade. I didn't delve into any of these, but they are in your budget at least. Trees and snow in the area. Cascade is close to your size needs and from Garden Valley you can get into the distant Boise suburbs pretty easy.
https://www.realtor.com/realestatean...ot-sqft-217800
A little closer in would be Emmett, ID. I'd guess this area is going to be the next booming suburb. It was announced a few weeks ago that the main highway to Emmett was going to become an expressway and connect directly to I-84. It will take a few years, but that easier highway access will mean a lot of people will move out that way for cheaper land, bigger houses and hopefully an easier commute into Boise and/or Meridian.
https://www.realtor.com/realestatean...t-217800/sby-1
The winter is much shorter in the area, as well as less wind here. We lived in Great Falls for several year. Nice area, but the wind and winter wear on you after a few years. I feel for you.
04-10-2023, 06:40 PM
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I want to thank everyone for the input. After looking at a lot of listings I have realized I just won't have the amount of money required to live decently in these areas at least for the time being. I really need to keep my budget close to what my current home will sell for. Maybe I will revisit this at retirement.
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Most Common Occupations - Healthcare practitioners and technical occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Health diagnosing and treating practitioners and other technical occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Health technologists and technicians (%)
Most Common Occupations - Service occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Healthcare support occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Protective service occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Fire fighting and prevention, and other protective service workers including supervisors (%)
Most Common Occupations - Law enforcement workers including supervisors (%)
Most Common Occupations - Food preparation and serving related occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Building and grounds cleaning and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Personal care and service occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Sales and office occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Sales and related occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Office and administrative support occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Natural resources, construction, and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Farming, fishing, and forestry occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Construction and extraction occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Installation, maintenance, and repair occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production, transportation, and material moving occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Transportation occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)