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My boss just got COVID for the third time. Said he was in the ER on New Years day. He was suffering from shortness of breath, dizziness and general malaise. He said he passed out and hit the floor twice when finally his wife took him in. His BP was in stroke out territory (200 over something) and scans on his lungs showed his alveoli were severely impacted. He stayed there a few days but he is out for however long it takes to heal.
I don't know which variant it is but it wasn't mild in his case. Uggh.
See, that's the scary thing... most ppl are dismissing the newer less dangerous mutations but for some ppl it will still hit them hard.
I suspect it's the variance in our immune systems and how it responds to invasive viruses.
The only good thing going for us is that a lot of ppl are vaccinated, limiting the length of sickness and thus limiting the viral load and spread.
Plus the hospitals know how to treat it better now.
There will always be those who refuse to acknowledge that they might be a disease vector at some point in time. Every workplace and school has one. That can be all it takes. People like this are only thinking of themselves, no one else. In my previous job for example I had a colleague who never ever stayed home when sick. He usually opted to "tough it out". During cold/flu season he'd show up hacking, coughing, sneezing, dripping and blowing, moaning about how ill he was, spewing who knows what all over the office common areas. Sometimes I wondered how much of our annual lost time hours could be traced back to this one person.
True.
But that still does not mean you lock down the healthy.
It would seem like nonsense if you don't understand that mRNA vaccines are completely different from traditional vaccines. The mRNA vaccines can actually cause the immune system to tolerate the covid spike protein, which is the opposite of what was intended.
With traditional vaccines that would never happen. But with mRNA, the body's own cells create the protein antigen. Therefore, the immune system gets mixed signals, and eventually may learn that the spikes are ok and should not be destroyed.
I have seen a lot of research claiming that the vaccinated are more often hospitalized with covid than the unvaccinated. The medical authorities, on the other hand, say the opposite. There has not been enough quality research to decide, and there is so much bias towards publishing the research that makes the vaccines look good.
The mRNA vaccines were developed in a hurry, not adequately tested for safety, and without a deep understanding of how gene therapy differs from normal vaccine technology.
If you're going to make claims like you've made here, you owe it to the rest of us to link to the lots of research you've supposedly seen. If the claim is that 'more people who've been hospitalized with Covid are vaccinated than unvaccinated', that could be both true and also not an indictment of the vaccines. Why? Because something like 70% of American adults received the initial vaccine. 81% received at least one dose of the preliminary vaccine. But vaccination-induced immunity to Covid wanes over time, and new strains/variants evolve. So having received the initial vaccine is all but irrelevant at this point
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Leaders of what? They do not hold the mainstream consensus which is why they are on YouTube. The mainstream consensus doesn't have to go to YouTube. Mainstream researchers make their voices heard when they publish scientific articles. Those articles are vetted by many researchers and scientist. They are either adopted or rejected based on the quality and consistency of other research. The rejects go on YouTube bypassing the rigors of scientific scrutiny.
You are very wrong. There was an all-out propaganda campaign to get the public to accept the covid mRNA vaccines. This is NOT a conspiracy theory -- they were aware and admitted their intentions. The pandemic was considered an emergency, and there was no time for debate and skepticism.
Scientists who were, and are, skeptical about these vaccines and the lack of long term safety testing were censored and discredited.
Dissent from a mainstream scientific consensus is not usually censored in this way. Journals were not willing to publish any skepticism regarding the vaccines.
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It really does get tiring trying to install some form of sanity in people.
You are very wrong. There was an all-out propaganda campaign to get the public to accept the covid mRNA vaccines. This is NOT a conspiracy theory -- they were aware and admitted their intentions. The pandemic was considered an emergency, and there was no time for debate and skepticism.
Scientists who were, and are, skeptical about these vaccines and the lack of long term safety testing were censored and discredited.
Dissent from a mainstream scientific consensus is not usually censored in this way. Journals were not willing to publish any skepticism regarding the vaccines.
Well that explains your attitude perfectly.
Okay, please explain and show us the facts.
"they were aware and admitted their intentions"
- who are they? And what exactly did they admit?
- where did you get your "facts"? From people who posted videos on youtube?
- the scientists that were skeptical about the vaccines, who were they, what are their credentials, how were they "discredited"?
Do you understand how journals publish their articles? How they are vetted by their colleagues? If somebody claims that the vaccines are ineffective or even harmful they have full rights to their views, but if they don't have credible scientific data that passes rigorous scientific tests then it's not credible.
I truly do not understand this conspiracy kind of thinking. What is the motivation? What is the benefit of lying to the public? Are all the leading scientists in on this conspiracy? Every country? Is it some kind of secret society / cabal?
"they were aware and admitted their intentions"
- who are they? And what exactly did they admit?
- where did you get your "facts"? From people who posted videos on youtube?
- the scientists that were skeptical about the vaccines, who were they, what are their credentials, how were they "discredited"?
Do you understand how journals publish their articles? How they are vetted by their colleagues? If somebody claims that the vaccines are ineffective or even harmful they have full rights to their views, but if they don't have credible scientific data that passes rigorous scientific tests then it's not credible.
I truly do not understand this conspiracy kind of thinking. What is the motivation? What is the benefit of lying to the public? Are all the leading scientists in on this conspiracy? Every country? Is it some kind of secret society / cabal?
You were not paying attention, evidently, at the beginning of the pandemic. Or since.
I understand how journals publish. And I understand that the mainstream medical journals, the universities, the news media, the CDC, etc., were all interested in promoting the covid mRNA vaccines. Their intentions were probably mostly good -- they thought the vaccines would be highly effective and safe.
Arguments against the mainstream consensus were considered dangerous misinformation, that would discourage the public from cooperating with the vaccination campaign.
All this was readily available information. The Biden administration, for example, stated very clearly their intention to combat any information that could make the public distrust the covid mRNA vaccines.
It's easy to call anything you disagree with, or anything that questions mainstream authorities, a conspiracy theory. You are assuming authorities are always straight with us and questioning them is crazy.
You are very wrong. There was an all-out propaganda campaign to get the public to accept the covid mRNA vaccines. This is NOT a conspiracy theory -- they were aware and admitted their intentions. The pandemic was considered an emergency, and there was no time for debate and skepticism.
Scientists who were, and are, skeptical about these vaccines and the lack of long term safety testing were censored and discredited.
Dissent from a mainstream scientific consensus is not usually censored in this way. Journals were not willing to publish any skepticism regarding the vaccines.
Well that explains your attitude perfectly.
We have the medical community, the government public health sector, and the general population all interacting. Those are different roles with a different understanding and differing knowledge base.
The public health sector sole purpose is to use methods for achieving goals intended to promote the general public health. It has to do so by informing the public on how to minimize ill health. It does so based on known evidence at the time. They put out recommendations that are preferably evidence based.
The medical community at large provides feedback for or against such recommendations. This includes feedback involving all of healthcare and not just public health. There has been criticism against the CDC and FDA and drug companies in actions taken in the past. This is not political. The same policies and procedures were done around the world with vary diverging politics. They are medical objections. The medical community also puts out positions of support when such polices or actions were targeted by outside influences. You might want to look at the published position paper by the Infectious Disease Society of America in support of Dr Fauci. You may want to look at Stanford researchers open letter against Dr Atlas. We aren't talking about one individual objecting. We aren't talking about one person making a YouTube. They use their official letterhead to make their views known.
You are completely wrong when you say that there was no debate or skepticism. This is especially true of the first emergence of an unknown disease. You have debate at the local doctor patient level and then regional level, state level, national level and international level. Everyone has an opinion. Some are reasonable and others are just stupid.
There is a big difference between speculating based on hypotheticals and assuming such speculation as fact. People were crossing the line and stating as fact side effects not seen in studies. They were yelling fire when no fire was present in the movie theatre. You can not pull the fire alarm without a fire present. That is against the law. Misinformation in medicine is not allowed. Medicine is controlled by legal statute. It was recommended that MD's lose their license if they spread misinformation. Again there is a big difference when one says there is a possibility of such and such side effect from saying people are dying from the vaccine. Opinion is not fact. You have nutcases like RFK Jr spreading complete nonsense.
Medical journals post studies and only rarely do they post opinion in such articles but everyone understands the difference. Most journals won't publish garbage research or opinions based on fantasies. Everyone self censors because they don't want to look stupid and chase away mainstream researchers.
You were not paying attention, evidently, at the beginning of the pandemic. Or since.
I understand how journals publish. And I understand that the mainstream medical journals, the universities, the news media, the CDC, etc., were all interested in promoting the covid mRNA vaccines. Their intentions were probably mostly good -- they thought the vaccines would be highly effective and safe.
Arguments against the mainstream consensus were considered dangerous misinformation, that would discourage the public from cooperating with the vaccination campaign.
All this was readily available information. The Biden administration, for example, stated very clearly their intention to combat any information that could make the public distrust the covid mRNA vaccines.
It's easy to call anything you disagree with, or anything that questions mainstream authorities, a conspiracy theory. You are assuming authorities are always straight with us and questioning them is crazy.
You did not answer my questions with facts.
You pretty much summarized your opinion on a conspiracy that you think exists.
You stated that the CDC, etc were all interested in promoting the vaccine... do you think they did this because they have a vested interest in pushing the vaccine? Was in motivated by a payoff? Or was it because of their own rigorous SCIENTIFIC study of the vaccine.
Dangerous misinformation is just that. Things that you READ or watched on youtube not backed by any rigorous scientific proof. THAT is dangerous misinformation. How can you blame any government for being concerned about misinformation like that.
Once again I ask... what is the motivation for this conspiracy? All these governments. All these different scientific groups saying that the vaccine is the best and safest solution to this virus. Why would they lie? Is it logical that they ALL colluded?
Show us proof and I will gladly consider the possibility.
YOnce again I ask... what is the motivation for this conspiracy?
Somehow it's connected to global elite pedophilia rings.
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