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Originally Posted by vagabond48
Qwerty. You misunderstood what I wrote. Let me explain.
I wrote "The reason I am asking this question is because I have read that some people may have been rejected by doctors because of the ACA code on their card. If this is true, in my opinion, this would be totally unethical IF the doctors were being compensated the same amount." I had written that I found the SAME plan with the SAME provider list at both the marketplace and off marketplace, therefore "if" the only reason a denial is based on getting the insurance from the marketplace, then this action is indeed both unethical and against the Hippocratic oath because it would have nothing to do with getting less money or being on a different network. Politics has no place in medicine.
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No, the issue is you don't understand how insurance networks work.
Take United Health, for example.
https://www.providerlookuponline.com...o7/Search.aspx
This is a list of their current networks for individual plans only--doesn't include group plans. Say a doctor contracts with United Health, they give him a list of these networks and he says he wants to be in these networks:
UnitedHealthcare Choice
UnitedHealthcare Choice HMO/Choice Plus HMO
UnitedHealthcare Choice Plus
UnitedHealthcare Choice Plus with Harvard Pilgrim
UnitedHealthcare Choice with Harvard Pilgrim
Now, the doctor takes United Health, but not ALL of United Health networks. So, on the doctor's website he lists he participates in United Health. A patient, not doing their homework, has say their Compass Plan, goes to that doctor and presents their card only to be told that they are not in their network. That patient takes that to be "rejecting" their Marketplace plan, but its not because it's a Marketplace plan, it's because the dr isn't in that network, or 20 other UH networks. There is a thread going on this board right now where a patient is accumulating huge medical bills because he did not check his network before going to a hospital. That is not the insurance companies fault, nor is it unethical or against the Hippocratic oath. It's a failure on the user side, period.
Compare that to a company like Cigna, who, for non-marketplace plans has ONE network, Open Access Plus. If you sign up for a non-Marketplace plan with Cigna, any provider that accepts Cigna will accept your plan, easy, done. Now, Cigna has a few local networks (Marketplace plans): Plan Names:
myCigna Copay Assure Gold
myCigna Copay Assure Silver
myCigna Health Flex 1250
myCigna Health Flex 1500
myCigna Health Flex 2750
myCigna Health Flex 5000
myCigna Health Flex 5000 Bronze
myCigna Health Savings 3400
myCigna Health Savings 6100
So, you need to look at your card and see what network you are in, then you can look up providers. You should also ALWAYS ask your provider to verify their network status BEFORE your appointment.
The networks are about controlling costs. A smaller network, say an HMO, has limited doctors in a specific geographic region. The usual and customary charges for those doctors/procedures are pretty well defined and predictable so those plans can be offered at a lower cost, which is why most Marketplace plans are HMO's. Expand your network nationally to a PPO, for example, and your costs are not as predictable and are higher. The benefit for paying more, however, is you don't need referrals and you can go to whatever doctor you want. If you stay in network, your costs are lower, but they have out of network coverage as well. Individual HMO plans only have out of network coverage for emergency care, heart attacks, etc. and then only then until the patient is stable and can be transferred to an in-network facility. The Marketplace plans are pretty much what people would experience in the US if we went to a single payer plan, very limited networks, no real choice of doctors/facilities, etc., much like you see today with Medical Advantage plans, and even Medicare in most cases.
Now, if you found the same plan both on and off the Marketplace, that is remarkable. The Marketplace plan is probably listed on the insurance company website, but when you go sign up for that plan, it will take you to the Marketplace website.