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If you even bring up the subject of diversity, some people will instantly cry, "RACIST!!".
Mostly in the context that you choose to use the word. A racist is what we use to describe white supremacists. Since you seem to be focused on skin pigmentation and the preferred whiteness of skin tone as an American cultural ideal, and how this whiteness is somehow at risk due to immigration and diversity, your arguments very rightly seem to be racist. People who know what diversity is and use the term properly do not get branded as racist.
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Originally Posted by maineguy8888
The idea of a racist is that one differentiates by race, then puts some people "higher" on the totem pole than others (with some being very low, indeed).
But here's the funny thing: read what I just wrote again. Is that not the very idea of "diversity"? To differentiate by race, then put some people higher on totem pole than others (i.e., "we need more people who are visible minorities").
Odd, isn't it......
Yikes. You could not be more wrong. Diversity has nothing to do with racial ranking, scoring, higher or lower, judging, or (oddly) totem poles. Diversity has nothing to do with some far-fetched wing-nut conspiracy theory about plans to somehow sully the purity of the white race by bringing in dark skinned immigrants. It simply is a recognition of differences.
For example, look at the diversity of the members of the US Supreme court.
John G. Roberts, Jr., Chief Justice, ...white male, New York stater, Catholic, Irish-Welsh, & Slovak heritage.
Clarence Thomas, Associate Justice, ...black male, African American, Catholic, from Georgia, Gullah heritage.
Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Associate Justice, ...white female, from Brooklyn, Russian/Austrian Jewish heritage.
Stephen G. Breyer, Associate Justice, ...white male, Californian, Jewish Romanian heritage.
Samuel A. Alito, Jr., Associate Justice, ...white male, from New Jersey, Catholic, Italian American (father immigrated)
Sonia Sotomayor, Associate Justice, ...Hispanic female, from the Bronx, Catholic, Puerto Rican heritage (parents from P.R.)
Elena Kagan, Associate Justice, ...white female, from Manhattan, Russian Jewish heritage (formerly Orthodox, now Conservative).
Neil M. Gorsuch, Associate Justice, ...white male, Coloradan, Catholic, English heritage.
Brett Kavanaugh, Associate Justice, ...white male, from Washington DC, Irish Catholic heritage.
That foregoing list provides basic information on the diversity of the court Justices. It says nothing about their performance, ability, temperment, political thinking, constitutional views or opinions, or experience and qualifications to be Supreme Court Justices. Those last factors come under serious consideration first, but the previous listed elements of diversity of background and life experience are also recognized as important to bring different ideas and perspectives to the court. If we didn't want diversity of thought, experience or constitutional perspective we could just have one Supreme Court Justice.
Mostly in the context that you choose to use the word. A racist is what we use to describe white supremacists. Since you seem to be focused on skin pigmentation and the preferred whiteness of skin tone as an American cultural ideal, and how this whiteness is somehow at risk due to immigration and diversity, your arguments very rightly seem to be racist. People who know what diversity is and use the term properly do not get branded as racist.
Yikes. You could not be more wrong. Diversity has nothing to do with racial ranking, scoring, higher or lower, judging, or (oddly) totem poles. Diversity has nothing to do with some far-fetched wing-nut conspiracy theory about plans to somehow sully the purity of the white race by bringing in dark skinned immigrants. It simply is a recognition of differences.
For example, look at the diversity of the members of the US Supreme court.
John G. Roberts, Jr., Chief Justice, ...white male, New York stater, Catholic, Irish-Welsh, & Slovak heritage.
Clarence Thomas, Associate Justice, ...black male, African American, Catholic, from Georgia, Gullah heritage.
Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Associate Justice, ...white female, from Brooklyn, Russian/Austrian Jewish heritage.
Stephen G. Breyer, Associate Justice, ...white male, Californian, Jewish Romanian heritage.
Samuel A. Alito, Jr., Associate Justice, ...white male, from New Jersey, Catholic, Italian American (father immigrated)
Sonia Sotomayor, Associate Justice, ...Hispanic female, from the Bronx, Catholic, Puerto Rican heritage (parents from P.R.)
Elena Kagan, Associate Justice, ...white female, from Manhattan, Russian Jewish heritage (formerly Orthodox, now Conservative).
Neil M. Gorsuch, Associate Justice, ...white male, Coloradan, Catholic, English heritage.
Brett Kavanaugh, Associate Justice, ...white male, from Washington DC, Irish Catholic heritage.
That foregoing list provides basic information on the diversity of the court Justices. It says nothing about their performance, ability, temperment, political thinking, constitutional views or opinions, or experience and qualifications to be Supreme Court Justices. Those last factors come under serious consideration first, but the previous listed elements of diversity of background and life experience are also recognized as important to bring different ideas and perspectives to the court. If we didn't want diversity of thought, experience or constitutional perspective we could just have one Supreme Court Justice.
You quickly and perfectly illustrated my point about the “racist!” accusation. Thank you.
Diversity and multiculturalism adherents cannot tolerate a place with all white people...that is too many white people. But how do we treat someone who is maybe just a little bit non-white?? Are THEY adding to diversity?? Who knows??
Would you welcome importing millions of whites from say poland, hungary, croatia etc?
Of course. They are Eastern European countries and they have the balls to enforce their existing immigration laws unlike many western countries. I lived in Croatia back in the early 80’s. Beautiful place. Millions of Americans immigrated from those countries. Have you been to any eastern Euro-countries?
Fear of "the other" is nothing new. Again, dark skinned people are simply the bogeyman du jour. And it's as ugly today as it was 100, 200 years ago, when people railed against the influx of Germans, Irish, Italian, Jews and Chinese coming over to escape famine and poverty and seek a better life. Again, thank God our immigration policies prevailed despite the fear-mongering and hate, because my ancestors and the ancestors of 99% of those here were able to come here and prosper despite the prejudice and hate heaped upon them by narrow-minded people.
Japan must really get on your nerves as homogeneous as they are. Why don’t you push your diverse desires on them? Tell them how mixing it up will improve things for them.
Talk about racism. Nothing more racist then telling a homogenous society they are too pure. Sick.
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You have been living in a metaphorical cave if you don’t know that Diversity and Multiculturalism has been the dominant Western religion for the last 40-50 years.
That's hyperbole. Multiculturalism is no more of a religion than is the internet or jet airlines; it is an artifact of our technological and social evolution. We live in a shrinking world in which cultures, ideas, and people are much more fluid.
Some people feel threatened by the idea that they may have to modify their world view when confronted with cultural shifts which is unfortunate because if history has taught us anything, it is that nothing is constant. Countries, cultures, languages, people - they all come and they go. You adapt and grow with the opportunity it presents or you wither and fade away. The most dominant culture in the western world - Rome - no longer exists. The same will likely be true of American culture at some point in the future. Get over it and quit trying to preserve something that is not preservable.
You have been living in a metaphorical cave if you don’t know that Diversity and Multiculturalism has been the dominant Western religion for the last 40-50 years.
Diversity is the natural progression of our country's population over time.
By "diversity" you mean brown & black people. That's not diversity, as I explained to you. Our laws for equal opportunity apply to age, race, ethnicity, religion, and gender.
Can you point to some program that is aimed at making America brown or black, which seems to be the undercurrent in this thread?
If you're talking about accepting refugees & immigrants, that's America's history. "Give us your tired, your poor, ...." We have accepted immigrants & refugees since we became a nation. From Ireland, Germany, France, England, countries in Africa, Mexico, Guatemala, Spain, Russia, Slovenia, Pakistan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Canada, Israel.... Likewise, other countries accept immigrants from America and other countries.
This is the way the world works. Just like you will get older & die, it's the way of the world, of human existence. It has been, since the beginning of humans on earth, when we lived in small tribes of our own families, then joined with other tribes, then traveled to foreign lands and became assimilated in those lands, and so on.
You have a small, short view of the human existence on the planet. There's no conspiracy to wipe out whites, which seems to be what you're implying.
You quickly and perfectly illustrated my point about the “racist!” accusation. Thank you.
Diversity and multiculturalism adherents cannot tolerate a place with all white people...that is too many white people. But how do we treat someone who is maybe just a little bit non-white?? Are THEY adding to diversity?? Who knows??
But our country has ALWAYS been populated by different ethnicities & races. From the very beginning, America's population consisted of Native Americans, Asians, and caucasians from different countries and areas.
We were always diverse. Diversity exists through a natural occurrence. What YOU are speaking of is a forced all-whiteness, and a forced all-maleness, in entities that matter to you,like the courts, government, companies, etc. That is not the way of the world, as far as human existence goes. That's contrary to the laws of nature. It's a bizarre, twisted, forced unnatural state committed by racists or people who regard themselves as somehow better than other ethnicities, races, religions, genders, etc..... They were called Nazis during WWII. Here, they are called white supremacists. They used to be called skinheads.
A country not diverse, is weak and will not last. America is a very young country. It must allow the natural progression of diversity, in order to last longer, or it will fall.
Diversity makes this country and all countries stronger. Just as a family that procreates only within itself, soon falls from madness and weakness, so it is with any population over time. Human existence isn't properly viewed over decades. It's to be viewed over centuries, eons.
I don't object to the idea of diversity, just the way it's applied.
You have a 97% wealthy, white attendance in Manhattan at an art museum and that's OK.
You have a 97% working class, black attendance at a rap concert and that's OK.
You have a 97% working class, white attendance at a MAGA rally and that's not OK because it's not "diverse".
If people were serious about diversity they would be grabbing black people and working class whites off the street and forcing them to look at art. They would force white people to go to rap concerts and black people to go to MAGA rallies.
You could not be more wrong. Simply, in the modern era of diversity, darker means better.
But in an interesting side-note, one does not become even better simply by being darker than those who are only modestly darker than white. There is a line one crosses, from white to non-white, and once you are across that line you are a “person of color”. It doesn’t matter HOW dark you are; simply that you are darker than white.
(Which is the entire point of the thread.......the line is an “emperor with no clothes”).
I think that's a fallacy. I don't think it's true that our immigration policy reflects "dark means better". Like someone else said I think it's easier for lighter skin people to emigrate here than darker skinned.
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