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Old 01-16-2024, 01:57 PM
 
Location: Wonderland
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So what? It won't take any money out of my pocket unless I choose to invest in one of their companies which I would only do at my own risk. My own known risk. ROI anyone?

Personally, I'm glad to send my money to Amazon and glad they exist and glad I didn't have to take the risk for them to exist.
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Old 01-17-2024, 07:37 AM
 
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That statistic does not pass the sniff test. Inflation (CPI-U) for that period was a factor of 7.4. You're suggesting wages grew by another factor of 7.81 beyond inflation. Multiplying those two we get a wage growth factor of about 58 in nominal dollars. Now working backwards, let's use $10/hr as a bottom quintile wage in 2017. That's a guess on my part, but IMO a reasonable guess. Applying the factor of 58, we arrive at a bottom quintile wage of 17 cents per hour in 1967.

Considering the federal minimum wage was $1/hr in 1967, a wage of 17 cents/hr seems unlikely. To put this in some perspective, in 1967 17 cents could buy half a gallon of gasoline, or about three and a half postage stamps. Were wages really that awful? I was a child at the time so I don't have personal work experience to support or refute any of these numbers. I made around $3/hr in my first paid jobs during the late 1970s, doing manual farm labor.
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Old 01-17-2024, 07:50 AM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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Talking about inequalities...

Pandemic made some people really rich.
The pandemic did no such thing.

The world was created unequal and unfair. Some people are born tall, short, poor, rich, ugly, attractive, fat genetics, skinny genetics, bald genetics, hairy genetics, big nose, flat butt, low IQ, high IQ, big penis, small penis, light skinned, dark skinned, allergies, disorders, deformities, disabilities, etc.

When the government can legislate the unequal outcome between siblings born under the same roof, then maybe they can legislate the inequality of wealth.

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The first lesson of economics is scarcity: There is never enough of anything to satisfy all those who want it. - Thomas Sowell
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/286...ho%20want%20it.

Life is not fair or equal, and that's a good thing. You want your doctor getting the same pay as a burger flipper?
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Old 01-17-2024, 08:16 AM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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While they made fortune doubling their wealth, almost 5 billion people have become poorer.
Some people work hard and become rich and successful.

Other people don't and remain poor.

So, what are we supposed to do about that?

Should the whole world become communist? Was Karl Marx right?
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Old 01-17-2024, 11:29 AM
 
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People who can pass the cost of inflation down will get richer. It's just math. People who don't have inflation adjusted income will bear the brunt of the inflation tax.

Why nobody angry at the Federal Government for QE and money printing.
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Old 01-17-2024, 02:18 PM
 
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By then $1T won’t even buy a pack of gun.
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Old 01-17-2024, 02:53 PM
 
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People who can pass the cost of inflation down will get richer. It's just math. People who don't have inflation adjusted income will bear the brunt of the inflation tax.

Why nobody angry at the Federal Government for QE and money printing.
The QEs and increases in money supply after the '08 bust and various accommodations during the pandemic kept us out of a new economic Stone Age.
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Old 01-17-2024, 04:35 PM
 
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People who can pass the cost of inflation down will get richer. It's just math. People who don't have inflation adjusted income will bear the brunt of the inflation tax.

Why nobody angry at the Federal Government for QE and money printing.
A famous economist once said, "Nothing is either good or bad save the alternatives make it look that way."

The federal government engaged in a $5 Trillion helicopter drop during the pandemic with a goal of preventing the economy from crashing. In hindsight, that helicopter drop was excessive. But at the time, the federal government was doing its best in a world of both risks and uncertainties.

And yes, politicians being political, there was a ton of pork.
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Old 01-18-2024, 10:11 AM
 
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So what? It won't take any money out of my pocket unless I choose to invest in one of their companies which I would only do at my own risk. My own known risk. ROI anyone?

Personally, I'm glad to send my money to Amazon and glad they exist and glad I didn't have to take the risk for them to exist.

I agree, and the income tax code has been structured just for that. The top 1% of taxable income filers pay 25% of all income taxes. The bottom 50% of filers pay 3% of all income taxes.
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Old 01-18-2024, 12:04 PM
 
Location: on the wind
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So what? It won't take any money out of my pocket unless I choose to invest in one of their companies which I would only do at my own risk. My own known risk. ROI anyone?
This. Multimillionaire? Billionaire? Be still my beating heart NOT. !
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