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"Green/renewable" energy/technology is not a solution. I've already explained why in my OP.
Plus, there is nothing green/renewable whatsoever about solar panels, wind turbines, and electric vehicles. These are all high-tech false promises that will end in a river of tears.
The Ancient Roman Empire continued to build more hi-tech siege and warfare equipment even as their empire was collapsing. High tech will not prevent our collapse. In fact, it only makes things worse.
Even if everything you said were true (which it is not), you conveniently left out nuclear power. A design for small-scale, factory-built reactors, safer and much more economical than what's currently in service, are coming, much sooner than later. So if oil "peaked" tomorrow, and we relegated future use of petroleum products to tires, polyester sweat pants and plastic bags (which would last hundreds more years), we could satisfy our energy needs on nuclear alone. And if uranium mining goes south, seawater contains more nuclear fuel than we'll ever need.
But our absolutely biggest energy "source"? It is to increase efficiency of our vehicles and buildings, we could make our fossil fuels last twice as long if we worked more to improve efficiencies. And by that time, we'll be mining asteroids and the moon, and have bases on the moons of (Neptune?). And probably be using banana peels and beer cans to power our "Mr. Fusion" Deloreans. Or, we'll all kill one another by then, and the one percentage of us that survives will go back to burning wood.
. Here's what people need to understand: the economy is not driven by money or finance- the economy is driven by energy, particularly oil. Oil is the economy. Without oil production/consumption growth, there can be no GDP growth. Period.
The global financial system is like a ponzi scheme- it needs endless growth or else the whole thing comes crashing down. All paper assets- stocks, bonds, real estate, fiat currencies- derive their value from the expectation of endless growth. Peak oil will rip a gaping hole in that expectation. When oil production peaks and then declines, no amount of worthless debt will be able to prop up the markets, and in fact, all this debt is only making and already very bad predicament much, much worse.
Since none of this trajectory you describe can be changed, why worry about it at all. When or if it happens, we will deal with it.
"Green/renewable" energy/technology is not a solution. I've already explained why in my OP.
Plus, there is nothing green/renewable whatsoever about solar panels, wind turbines, and electric vehicles. These are all high-tech false promises that will end in a river of tears.
The Ancient Roman Empire continued to build more hi-tech siege and warfare equipment even as their empire was collapsing. High tech will not prevent our collapse. In fact, it only makes things worse.
I suggest you and ZeApelido get into an MMA ring and fight to the death.
I dream of the day when I can ride horses down the abandoned superhighways...
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I'm not sure you have any experiences with horses....If it ever comes that we return to horses, You'll wanna make sure you're the first one out at rush hour every morning, not the last. The Street Cleaners' Union will become a political powerhouse.
Actually, everything you said in the 1st post is true, except you have the timing & urgency wrong....
..and you may want to review the mathematical meaning of "Peak Oil." It's actually not a time for panic, but for thankfulness--It's the point at which the oil (or whatever resource) is being extracted at it's optimum rate-- fastest & cheapest. Hubbert's Pimple is just the graph of the derivative of the logistic curve....As we pass the point of peak oil, the oil reserve starts to become smaller and harder to extract.
You're also right about the fallacy of alternative energy/EVs as being environmentally friendly. They have their own problems in that regard and may well prove to be worse than fossil fuels.
. Here's what people need to understand: the economy is not driven by money or finance- the economy is driven by energy, particularly oil. Oil is the economy. Without oil production/consumption growth, there can be no GDP growth. Period.
Bizarrely, the immense majority of people have no concept of this whatsoever- they all believe in the "energy tooth fairy." Well, peak oil hasn't gone away, it is still very much with us.
All economies are energy- in pre industrial times that energy was raw man and animal power. In the modern world, the energy is fossil fuels, with oil being the most important one. The global economy is faltering badly for one reason only- oil depletion.
Now, peak oil doesn't mean that the oil will run out. Rather, we will experience a net energy collapse. Net energy is the amount of energy left in a barrel of oil after you've finished extracting, refining, and transporting it- the net energy is what's left to produce GDP and run the complex systems of society. That net energy has been in decline as the cheap and easy to reach oil has been depleted.
It's amusing when fools point to shale oil as proof that peak oil is a hoax- shale oil is a business model that has never been able to cover it's own enormous operating costs. With shale oil, it's necessary to break apart and destroy a ton of rock to produce enough oil to power a single car for a measly two weeks. Are we really going to become "Saudi America" on the basis of that?
Furthermore, there is no substitute for oil. No other energy source is so dense, transportable, convenient, and versatile. The "green/renewable" energy farce is nothing more than a delusion that we can fight the laws of thermodynamics and win. We will not be able to run suburbia, Wal-Mart, the military industrial complex, Disney World, mass tourism, the airline industry, the interstate highway system, and food production for 8B people on any combination of solar, wind, geothermal, used French fry potato oil, the dark matter of the universe, etc. And even if there was a viable alternative to oil, it would take a full 3 decades to transition our infrastructure to that energy source.
The global financial system is like a ponzi scheme- it needs endless growth or else the whole thing comes crashing down. All paper assets- stocks, bonds, real estate, fiat currencies- derive their value from the expectation of endless growth. Peak oil will rip a gaping hole in that expectation. When oil production peaks and then declines, no amount of worthless debt will be able to prop up the markets, and in fact, all this debt is only making and already very bad predicament much, much worse.
So, what's the date of this peak oil apocalypse and how long will it take to get from there to zero, anyway?
Nope, you have (for about the 100th time on this forum) presented your half-baked theory about impending collapse of society due to lack of resources.
There have been people predicting the same thing for as long as recorded history on everything from food to energy to population. They have presented their theories with far more scientific rigor/analysis than your latest doomisms, yet have all been proven wrong because people consistent underestimate how dynamic human innovation can be.
i really hope all these gloomers have not acted on believing their own bull .
it certainly has left them a lot poorer for it .
most of them here are so afraid of their own shadow that they invest in nothing and just watch everyone else growing their wealth and they think it is so unfair because daddy fed is helping them while the train left the station without them.
it is just about guaranteed most of the complainers and gloomers are not doing as well financially as they should have . while they work for their money it is highly unlikely their money is working for them.
always thinking the glass is half empty has a very pronounced effect on financial growth .
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So, what's the date of this peak oil apocalypse and how long will it take to get from there to zero, anyway?
By 2025, we will be in very serious trouble. By 2030, the world will be unrecognizable from what it is now.
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When or if it happens, we will deal with it. 
