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Actually, I personally believe that government should stop defining marriage precisely because I revere the institution of marriage.
I think the government should regulate civil, custodial and property aspects of a union between people, and leave it up to these people's system of beliefs as whether or not to consider such union a marriage.
I.e. if you're gay and Catholic, either convert to some other denomination that accepts gay marriage, or live with realization that you're a sinner, from the point of viiew of your belief system.
You can't use the government to force the Church to change it's beliefs to suit the "law du jour" of the land.
And I really fail to see why, once we declare that one unorthodox and traditionally considered sinful and unnatural form of union is OK, this does not apply to other unorthodox forms of union, as long as there's no coercion / abuse.
Either the laws enforce the traditional forms of marriage, or the law stays out of the concept altogether, just making sure nobody's rights are trampled. Anything in between is half-assed, illogical, unfair, and highly hypocritical.
What's missing from this whole debate are the economic aspects of marriage. And I don't mean wedding cakes or gay honeymooner's dollars.
Every society needs educated, law abiding, productive citizens who pay taxes. Who make more of those. Forget about religion and mores. I see the demotion of marriage as counterproductive. Divorce in a way is too, but not to the extent of giving tax breaks for not child bearing couples.
Every society needs educated, law abiding, productive citizens who pay taxes. Who make more of those.
Are you saying that homosexual couples would produce offspring were it not for same sex marriage? Are you saying homosexual people would be forced into heterosexual unions and then produce offspring were it not for our tolerance of homosexuality?
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Originally Posted by KaraBenNemsi
...but not to the extent of giving tax breaks for not child bearing couples.
My girlfriend and I know several married couples who are child-free. We seek them out, because, well, they can actually go do stuff (unlike a lot of couples we know who are saddled with children). She and I probably won't get married, but if we did, we'd realize a nice reduction in taxes. So, are you proposing doing away with any sort of tax break for marriage, and instead focusing the tax breaks on having dependent offspring?
Jesus does not approve of gay marriage. And when it comes to sin, he will forgive if you are actually seeking forgiveness. You see to live in sin you will not be forgiven and he knows when you are truly asking for forgiveness. For you to say it's ok to sin as long as your asking for forgiveness would be like killing a person everyday and asking for forgiveness. Sorry it just doesn't work that way. You are living in sin by continuing to do the same sin over and over. No man shall ly with another man, no woman shall ly with another woman.
Oh yah? What does Gandalf have to say about same sex marriage? What does Spider-man have to say? What about Harry Potter, what's his take? Santa Claus? Thumper?
Now that the gay marriage is the law of the land, can anyone truly deny the right for 2 girls to marry the same guy?
I think it's just a question of time before we see a lawsuit from a muslim, and a mormon and all their wives and some lesbian couple to challenge the status-quo. And if they do, I cannot see how the Supreme Court can deny them their right in light of last decision on gay marriage.
Jesus does not approve of gay marriage. And when it comes to sin, he will forgive if you are actually seeking forgiveness. You see to live in sin you will not be forgiven and he knows when you are truly asking for forgiveness. For you to say it's ok to sin as long as your asking for forgiveness would be like killing a person everyday and asking for forgiveness. Sorry it just doesn't work that way. You are living in sin by continuing to do the same sin over and over. No man shall ly with another man, no woman shall ly with another woman.
Let me get back to you when I give a F what Jesus said.
Jesus does not approve of gay marriage. And when it comes to sin, he will forgive if you are actually seeking forgiveness. You see to live in sin you will not be forgiven and he knows when you are truly asking for forgiveness. For you to say it's ok to sin as long as your asking for forgiveness would be like killing a person everyday and asking for forgiveness. Sorry it just doesn't work that way. You are living in sin by continuing to do the same sin over and over. No man shall ly with another man, no woman shall ly with another woman.
No, it's a silly debate. And you are just trolling and baiting. Gays only wanted what others have. To argue that their rights somehow open the door to silly and weird combinations is a hollow argument. In Massachusetts, gays have been marrying for 10 or so years, and I have not heard of any silly situations that you mentioned.
This country is based on monogamy, and if the Muslims want to follow their Sharia laws and keep multiple wives, then they can move to a Muslim country that allows lt. We have a two spouse system, for both gay and straight people. That's it.
Silly to who. Gays did have what others had. Every man had a right to marry a woman. Every woman had a right to marry a man.
For you to call those who believe in polygamy silly, seems rather strange. Who are you to now judge what is acceptable for marriage?
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Are you kidding me
